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meanwhile in China...

This is a good thing even if it's China only. If they perform well and compete aggressively price wise it would hopefully mean more Nvidia/AMD/Intel GPUs allocated to the rest of the world. And seeing how it's based on PowerVR it shouldn't perform too bad... as long as the drivers are stable...

One thing not mentioned however is who's making the silicon. If it's TSMC or Samsung both are stuck in heavy demand and won't do much to help with the silicon shortage. And planning on 5nm for the next gen, as far as I'm aware I don't think any chinese foundry is developing it yet?
 
R3X said:
Nice news, we are in desperate need for cheaper entry level GPUs especially with 10bit/12bit support (Full HDR colours), Full RGB and 120hertz, AMD, Nvidia and Intel are in a state of playing the waiting game which could go on for months at this point.

Reckon unofficially they find a loop hole and it ends up sellable to the masses.
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Ebay! It's "Asian Import DVD"s all over again! Dodgy AF but all over the site with addresses that appear to be in the UK but actually shipping from somewhere in china.
 
Biffa said:
Just wondering if you checked the box as to where your Gigabyte 260 was made?
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Indeed, they're all mostly assembled in china, the final process is anyway where they manufacture and fit the coolers to the pcb's and i think even the pcb's themselves are manufactured in china too. You'd only be worried about the software/driver side if it only works on proprietary programs. But like with everything else these days, i'm sure data is collected on you whether you agreed with it or not.
 
Its the new version of the GTX 1060's and 960s that flooded ebay with the exact same cooler but ended up being GT 450's or worse. I know I've got one (bought it for a fiver off some poor sole that cost him £130 !)
You just wouldnt call it Fantasy though would you.
Maybe it means something slightly different in China.
 
China has launched its first 6nm GPU, benchmarks show performance on par with GTX660ti

The company has a long way to go, they claim the GPU should have RTX4060 performance but Chinese GPUs have now a long history of poor drivers making them unable to compete with anything from Intel, Nvidia or amd. Due to this its only the Chinese government and military that buy these products, other businesses and consumers have zero interest

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China’s First 6nm GPU Aimed to Rival NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 4060, But Fell Short Against the Decade-Old GTX 660 Ti

China's domestic GPU efforts aren't going out too well, as the nation's first 6nm GPU has managed to rival a decade-old GeForce GTX 660 Ti.
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I keep wanting to buy a MTT S80, just to play around with. They push out driver updates fairly regularly.
Some sites are always happy to **** on the performance of hardware from new companies, but things take time as that article mentioned.

Given the hardware shenanigans that are happening right now, China have no choice but to develop their own tech. They can't just hope the US will let them buy increasingly cut-down Nvidia scraps forever.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
I keep wanting to buy a MTT S80, just to play around with. They push out driver updates fairly regularly.
Some sites are always happy to **** on the performance of hardware from new companies, but things take time as that article mentioned.

Given the hardware shenanigans that are happening right now, China have no choice but to develop their own tech. They can't just hope the US will let them buy increasingly cut-down Nvidia scraps forever.
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And they work perfectly fine for the military anyway, as they are not using these in windows or playing games. People will be shocked to learn the kind of computing power that goes into the world's most advanced military weapons, its way less powerful than you'd expect, you can get a lot of bang for buck.

For example the average CPU in a gaming PC is significantly faster than the CPU's used in 5th generation fighter jets, so the U.S stopping China from having access to top of the line CPU, GPU won't stop their military production at all
 
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A 5 years old entry-level smartphone SOC is plenty for military hardware and basically impossible to ban.
You cannot really overestimate how much computing power is taken by Android and shoddily written apps.

Consider the cheapest phone you can imagine, it still has:
1) A way to process GPS and 4G signal
2) A way to process images and video
3) Likely enough computing power left to run a simple neural network for image recognition

This is all you need for drones and slower cruise missiles, simple and dirt cheap to develop by military standards.
Might not be as sturdy and reliable as a custom built solution (but my rugged phones beg to differ) but when you launch 100+ per day a 5% failure rate is very acceptable.
 
mrk said:
China, so far ahead in most areas, yet so far behind in this particular one....
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Only in gaming, datacenter is catching up pretty fast and is mostly limited by lithography. Once that moat is filled we might see serious Chinese efforts for the scraps under the table, AKA the gaming market.
Academically there are ways to develop LLMs that are less GPU intensive but the trade-off would result in a massive demand spike on RAM.
 
Zarax said:
Only in gaming, datacenter is catching up pretty fast and is mostly limited by lithography. Once that moat is filled we might see serious Chinese efforts for the scraps under the table, AKA the gaming market.
Academically there are ways to develop LLMs that are less GPU intensive but the trade-off would result in a massive demand spike on RAM.
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SMIC's forecasts cut to ongoing struggles. Currently SMIC is able to put out 700 wafers per month, from this it can create 78 7nm GPUs per wafer for Huawei, of which 70% fail, giving a 7nm GPU production of 163k units per month, or 1.9 million GPUs produced per year

Where as based on JPR data Nvidia is currently selling around 4 million GPUs.. per month..

This poor volume and yield from the Chinese and the Chinese governments demand that local companies use Chinese GPUs means the demand will far exceed supply for such a long time that we'll probably never see a decent gaming GPU exported from China anytime soon

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Morgan Stanley Guts SMIC's Huawei AI GPU Revenue By More Than 50% Due To Abysmal Yields

Morgan Stanley halves SMIC's AIGPU revenue forecasts, projecting 30% yields for 910B chips.
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mrk said:
China, so far ahead in most areas, yet so far behind in this particular one....
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It’s only a matter of time. They’ve shot ahead in most other areas in very little time. I actually think they’ve caught up pretty quickly to even be ‘10 years behind’ here, I doubt many other nations would get even that close to what is already a sizeable lead by US companies.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
It’s only a matter of time. They’ve shot ahead in most other areas in very little time. I actually think they’ve caught up pretty quickly to even be ‘10 years behind’ here, I doubt many other nations would get even that close to what is already a sizeable lead by US companies.
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As per above, Based on SMIC's own forecasts, their costs of producing high end GPUs are high, their yields are low, and while they have a plan of expansion, based on their plan they'll never be able to meet local GPU demand, so all of this will never help western gamers directly - firstly it's unlikely high end silicon will be wasted making gaming GPUs when the CCP wants money going to AI and hates games and gamers, and even if high end gaming GPUs were made, due to the local demand, they probably never be exported for sale in the West. Things could change in future but the above is how the next 10 years plays out
 
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Jay85 said:
Drivers man, i’m not sure i would trust Chinese software on my computer. Work uses a few for translation/typing and it hammers the processing power constantly even though its only a translator… god knows what elses it doing.
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I don't trust US software on my PC but I still use it. I certainly don't think China would have any more spyware than the current Google/Meta/Microsoft tally.
 
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