The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

Hmm, I've found mine are closely linked. I remember one winter training hard indoors and the first proper outdoor ride I did I was smashing PR's all over the place...

I think it depends on how close your Zwift riding is to your outdoors and how fit you were outdoors. I finished last season pretty well with a trip to Mallorca where I did about 400km with probably 6k elevation. So the winter I was improving slowly (I think) but around me its pretty hilly so ERG mode isn't a good replica of what I do most of the time here.

Ultimately my FTP was up a bit but I wasn't in as good form as the season before.
 
I think it depends on how close your Zwift riding is to your outdoors and how fit you were outdoors.
I think that's mainly it. On Zwift I do a lot of racing, which is short punchy efforts. Some group rides - generally sweeping so longer harder intervals. Same with TTT's - longer power intervals and recovering at threshold.

Outdoors I'm almost exclusively 'easy' riding with short hill efforts so it complements me well. Most would be small to match my Zwift efforts, although longer hills don't, I'd be pacing them at threshold - which the TTT endurance in those high zones helps with.

Really I ride a lot harder indoors while preferring longer & harder races as they 'suit me' more, which then helps most of my outdoor riding.

Turned 40 recently and now Garmin says I'm in the Excellent category for Vo2MAX at 47.
Really happy with that, if nothing else I'm going to try and stop it from going down but hope to increase it further.
Nice, good work!

Don't know how to legit measure VO2Max without specific sessions/tests for it... I'm 45 on Monday! Also over the last 24/36 months being on a general great upward curve and consistent fitness levels higher than the last 10+ years :)
 
Don't know how to legit measure VO2Max without specific sessions/tests for it... I'm 45 on Monday! Also over the last 24/36 months being on a general great upward curve and consistent fitness levels higher than the last 10+ years :)
https://intervals.icu/power (donateware site, free imports 3 months before account creation, donating allows full history import from Strava) gives a VO2 estimation near the bottom of the power details in the top right corner.

In '22, my VO2 aged 48 peaked at 55.9 and my Compound Score (5mins pure Watts x 5mins W/Kg) peaked at 1590. Both use 5min power, reasonably close best that year indoors https://www.strava.com/activities/7125133320 and outdoors https://www.strava.com/activities/6871399099

Last month they were 40 and 686 respectively, surprisingly not from Zwift Insider Tiny Races (four ~10min sprint races spaced 15mins apart, three times zones that begin 1000/1600/2200 BST every Saturday) but https://www.strava.com/activities/13786911141/analysis/1146/1446

Gone from being a Category Enforcement pen B (with brief periods in A) racer to Racing Score pen E! :cry:
 
Last race of the ZRL 24/25 season 'Summer Showdown' was Tuesday. Crazy course with 10 Sprints and 1 KOM! Team who'd beaten us some of the other rounds didn't show up, so we took 1st place and the league overall from them. Race3r WASP - EMEAW Southern B3 Winners! :D

EMEA-W Round 1 - Southern (North) B2 - 5th
EMEA-W Round 2 - Southern (South) B2 - 2nd
EMEA-W Round 3 - Southern (South) B2 - 3rd
EMEA-W Showdown - Southern B3 - 1st!

Gone from being a Category Enforcement pen B (with brief periods in A) racer to Racing Score pen E! :cry:
Haha wow that's some drop, from Tiny races maybe losing out to more accurately scored riders? My RS has been around 510-520 for a while now, pre-ZRL would do community RS events and regularly in A pen getting thrashed, but brilliant workout to see how far I could go on a shorter race, so when I did other B races would generally be well placed in them.

I'm really a classic 'middle B' these days, sometimes peaking towards top B, most of the time just behind but using my experience and specific short-punchy power strengths to place myself higher up.

VO2Max 56.3 - same for 42 days/84 days/lifetime according to Intervals. Strange as I wouldn't say I'm the fittest or best I've been - that was probably last spring/summer. :confused:
 
Haha wow that's some drop, from Tiny races maybe losing out to more accurately scored riders?
Long covid and big weight gain.

In '22 I did 300W for 27mins, these days 300W is ~3mins and 27mins is ~200W on a very good day (and I'll probably pay for in with Post Exercise Malaise for days afterwards).

In '22 my estimated Lactate Threshold Heart Rate (98% of highest 20mins) was typically ~175bpm, these days it's ~155bpm on a very good day.

After my Xmas '13 RTA I did practically no exercise besides my old postie job for ~2 years and then began commuting on my fatbike, but my weight hit ~95Kg.
With ruthless dieting and beginning to cycle for fitness in '17 I got down to ~73Kg in August '17, but steadied around 80Kg for most of the next five years besides a drop to ~76Kg just before the covid pandemic began.
Once my September '22 covid left my with ongoing health issues preventing me from training like I did for ~5 years, combined with being presribed Mirtazapine for ~18 months, the weight piled back on and I've been 95-98Kg for at least the last year.
So I've kind of gone full circle with my weight within ~8 years, albeit a bit worse now.

Racing Score allowing riders to drop their score below their ability enough to drop a pen, along with my widely flucuating abilities week to week, means my Tiny Races results have been all over the shop in pen E (really think the floor should be 100% seed score, rather than 85%). Few top tens and wins, fair few midfield, few right near the back. Under Category Enforcement pen D (the lowest pen back then), my Tiny Races resuilts were more consistant and on average were far better.
 
Long covid and big weight gain.

In '22 I did 300W for 27mins, these days 300W is ~3mins and 27mins is ~200W on a very good day (and I'll probably pay for in with Post Exercise Malaise for days afterwards).

In '22 my estimated Lactate Threshold Heart Rate (98% of highest 20mins) was typically ~175bpm, these days it's ~155bpm on a very good day.
Ah I thought the Racing Score drop was recent - as RS only been in since Oct '24! ;)

That LTR (or even max HR?) drop due to long covid isn't something I'd heard much about, alongside the usual age reduction around this/your/our point in life (know you're slightly older than me!)... I get the massively increased HR for comparable effort, but you've seen a big decrease in your max too? Or just your LTHR pushed way up as cumilative from all the extra strain, massive impact to fitness and other side-affects like the medication?

It is what it is, 8 years is 'nothing' - but equally like in your case it can be 'everything'. You've been through a lot - even before this - but even now you're making a comeback. You've got fantastic resilience and it's good to compare to previous efforts. But really at this point - which I'm sure you realise - you just need some consistency with your health. You can then work on your fitness to build back. But until things level out it's really hard to judge isn't it?! The great thing is now you seem to have the energy to ride a bit more. Don't stress about the comparisons too much, just try for some consistency without making yourself worse. 'Find your new normal'. I think that will be massive for you :)
 
I've been doing a bit of consistent Zwfting this last couple of weeks due to the weather being dreadful. TT Tune up plan which I really like. Usually around the same time daily, been seeing Eric Schlange of Zwift insider fame. He gave me a ride on as I passed this morning. Got 2xp for it! :D
 
Did a VO2 max workout yesterday which was my first ride since Saturday. Legs weren't at the races due to barely sleeping for the previous 3 nights with the horrible weather we've had here (probably a different kind of horrible to you Vandle!).

VO2 max is clearly a massive weakness of mine as I can only ever just about complete them when I do them at 110% of FTP. Was doing them at 340w and couldn't quite finish the 5th set of 4 min. I'm sure if I wasn't sleep deprived it would have helped but I always struggle. I'm always amazed that people are doing their VO2 max at 130% of FTP. That would be doing it at over 400w. Not a popsicles chance.
 
Did a VO2 max workout yesterday which was my first ride since Saturday. Legs weren't at the races due to barely sleeping for the previous 3 nights with the horrible weather we've had here (probably a different kind of horrible to you Vandle!).

VO2 max is clearly a massive weakness of mine as I can only ever just about complete them when I do them at 110% of FTP. Was doing them at 340w and couldn't quite finish the 5th set of 4 min. I'm sure if I wasn't sleep deprived it would have helped but I always struggle. I'm always amazed that people are doing their VO2 max at 130% of FTP. That would be doing it at over 400w. Not a popsicles chance.
Yeah, mine is darkness, rain and single figure temperatures at 5:30am. Give me 30 degrees anyday!
 
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Does anyone know if Zwift have bug reporting process, I tried searching via google but can find anything. I'm having an annoying bug with the Zwift Apple TV app at the moment. I can't start workouts mid ride.
 
Does anyone know if Zwift have bug reporting process, I tried searching via google but can find anything. I'm having an annoying bug with the Zwift Apple TV app at the moment. I can't start workouts mid ride.
 
Does anyone know if Zwift have bug reporting process, I tried searching via google but can find anything. I'm having an annoying bug with the Zwift Apple TV app at the moment. I can't start workouts mid ride.
Can't say I've even tried to do that, but although am AppleTV don't really do workouts.

Anyone using Zwift Companion for steering and as a 'bridge' to connect a HRM? Any issues? My TICKRv2 doesn't always appear (less than 50% the time), when it does sometimes says 'no signal'. Other times has a HR reading stuck there unchanging for several mins then vanishes. None of these issues with it connected directly to Apple TV.

I've taken to using my Whoop for it, as that detects immediately and stays connected. Just miss the peaks of HR on short efforts (wrist optical vs chest strap). Although jamming it further up my forearm does seem to work a bit better (saw 186bpm last Thursday - don't think I've seen my Whoop4.0 go that high before!)
 
I use Apple TV. Actually tried to start a workout mid ride this morning and it wouldn't do it. Jump from pace partner to custom workout. I didn't even know the option was there, I thought you had to end the ride and go back to the login screen - which is what I had to do anyway, given that it didn't work. :D

As for connectivity - I had a Polar HR monitor, then a cheapy amazon one. Both gave me issues and the no signal message a lot of the time. I used to use the Whoop too but that would drop out for a second every other second resulting in my average HR being half of what it should have been. Bought a Garmin HR Pro chest strap about two years ago and not had a single connection issue since. My only gripe with it is the fastening system, it's utter rubbish and getting harder and harder to get on.
 
The whole aspect of Bluetooth baffles me at time.

Zwift will work fine with my Saris TT on BT for months. Then I'll load it one day and it will pair to the trainer but not get any power or cadence data. Unpair it, try to re-pair and Zwift then doesn't even see the trainer on BT, only ANT+. All the while my HRM is connected fine on BT.

The next time I turn everything on for a ride (having changed nothing), BT will work fine.
 
Yeah suffice to say I've had zero connectivity issues with everything on BT directly with the Apple TV (it can only connect BT and only 2 channels/devices). I've switched the KICKR to Direct connect with the adaptor thinking it would give me a BT channel to use, works flawlessly but Steering needs 2 BT channels, so still not enough for HR as well alongside. So 'fix' is to use Companion as a Bridge - so for my use case Companion is bridging the steering and HRM to Zwift on the ATV (3 BT devices) - everything else (trainer & ATV) is direct connected to ethernet.

So the HRM has no issue connecting to head unit, or directly to Zwift ATV app. Zero issues in 2 years. It only has issues when connected to Companion on handset (Android - Samsung S24 or S10) acting as bridge. Same behaviour 2 different handsets. My Whoop connected (with broadcast enabled) to same smartphone bridge, has no issue, connects once immediately and stays connected. So process of elimination - the issue is with the TICKRv2 itself...
 
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My Apple tv's firmware wasn't up to date, was a month out of date. Tried starting a workout mid ride again this morning, worked fine.
 
My Whoop connected (with broadcast enabled) to same smartphone bridge, has no issue, connects once immediately and stays connected.
The accuracy issues I'd had with using my Whoop before I've largely been able to work around. I found it would 'chop off the tops' of short efforts, the max being maybe 10-15bpm below my chest strap, longer or lower efforts it was generally pretty accurate.

I've seen some Pro riders wearing it on the inside of their forearm so figured I'd give it a try. My wrist band isn't large enough for my bicep, can just about squeeze it half way up the forearm. Gamechanger! I've captured both for several rides now and I'm seeing results +/- 1bpm averages and the same for peak/short efforts, can't ask for better than that!

'Chase' Endurance rides yesterday:
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TTT on Thursday:
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Anyone got or playing around with a Zwift Ride (and Kickr Core)?

Getting twitchy, and thinking about upgrading my old Atom first gen. Can still get decent money for them (if serviced well), so playing with options. The reviews all seem super positive.
 
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