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Yep. These type of illness are awful for anyone but it seems to hit home harder when you see what it does to someone who was once so fit and strong.
 
Anyone watch that? Horrible stoppage. No comment from the pundits cos USA!! Wasn't knocked out, was getting to his feet, and threw a punch as ref stopped it. Embarrasing.
 
Might have been different if he wasn't using the fence to pull himself up, gives the ref the opportunity to decide he's basically done if he can't get to his feet unassisted.
 
Yeah that didn't help his case. He was knocked over for sure, but not knocked out. He deserved to continue imo. Perhaps the ref saw something else.
 
banja said:
Anyone watch that? Horrible stoppage. No comment from the pundits cos USA!! Wasn't knocked out, was getting to his feet, and threw a punch as ref stopped it. Embarrasing.
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He gets stopped because the only way he's escaping a pounding is by cheating and pulling his way up the fence. Can't very well stop the fight and deduct a point and give him time to recover, would be totally unfair.

I thought it was an early stoppage on first viewing, but watching replay the ref is spot on.
 
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banja said:
Yeah that didn't help his case. He was knocked over for sure, but not knocked out. He deserved to continue imo. Perhaps the ref saw something else.
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The only reason he wasn't knocked out is because he cheated to get to his feet which is probably what the ref saw, excellent stoppage imo.
 
I still don't think you can stop the fight to a loss for that level of cheating. It might not be fair, but a point deduction would have been more appropriate, if even the ref had jumped straight to that rather than a warning first. It was the headline fight, 5 rounds, and the only reason it wasn't disputed by the crowd was it was the US fighter who won.

Plus if he's stopping the fight for cheating it should be a DQ, but it was given as a TKO.
 
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It might not be fair, but a point deduction would have been more appropriate,
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So he's rocked, uses fence to pull himself up whilst getting punched and you expect the ref to step in, give him time to breathe and understand the ref is going to take a point.
To then resume fighting and Derrick in this case loses his advantage because of an illegal move?
Ref made the right call, if you cant get back to your feet legally (again this is not one fence grab but multiple) why should you then be given at advantageous recovery time?
Ref's cant take a point whilst in positions, they have to stop the clock and announce a removal of a point to the judges.
 
sidimmu said:
So he's rocked, uses fence to pull himself up whilst getting punched and you expect the ref to step in, give him time to breathe and understand the ref is going to take a point.
To then resume fighting and Derrick in this case loses his advantage because of an illegal move?
Ref made the right call, if you cant get back to your feet legally (again this is not one fence grab but multiple) why should you then be given at advantageous recovery time?
Ref's cant take a point whilst in positions, they have to stop the clock and announce a removal of a point to the judges.
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Yes I would expect him to take a point. It wasn't stopped as a DQ or for the act of grabbing the fence. It was stopped as a TKO, which it wasn't.
 
banja said:
Yes I would expect him to take a point. It wasn't stopped as a DQ or for the act of grabbing the fence. It was stopped as a TKO, which it wasn't.
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Well, it effectively was because if he wasn't pulling himself up by the fence, he's staying on the mat, with his back given up, eating repeated shots to the head with zero intelligent defence.
 
Kenai said:
Well, it effectively was because if he wasn't pulling himself up by the fence, he's staying on the mat, with his back given up, eating repeated shots to the head with zero intelligent defence.
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How do you know how it would have played out if he hadn't pulled himself up? You can't stop a fight because he 'probably' wouldn't have been defending himself.

I'm just a nobody who thinks it was a bad stoppage, there were UFC fighters and other notables who also thought it was premature. And obviously those who agreed with the decision. But I still maintain if Derek had been stopped in that position there would have been boos and more protestations.

Anyway, done now. I won't change my opinion on it, but I look forward to the HW title being fought and Aspinall getting his shot.
 
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How do you know how it would have played out if he hadn't pulled himself up?
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Because that's how it was playing out and there was nothing to suggest he was doing anything to change that until he started grabbing the cage to pull himself up. If the cage wasn't there for him to grab, the TKO would have been called anyway in a matter of moments. Or he'd have ended up with serious brain damage, one or the other.
 
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Because that's how it was playing out and there was nothing to suggest he was doing anything to change that until he started grabbing the cage to pull himself up. If the cage wasn't there for him to grab, the TKO would have been called anyway in a matter of moments. Or he'd have ended up with serious brain damage, one or the other.
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I disagree.
 
Kenai said:
Because that's how it was playing out and there was nothing to suggest he was doing anything to change that until he started grabbing the cage to pull himself up. If the cage wasn't there for him to grab, the TKO would have been called anyway in a matter of moments. Or he'd have ended up with serious brain damage, one or the other.
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Yup you are 100% right and after my initial "wtf" moment I then reflected for a minute and came to this inevitable conclusion. The fence grab and climb was so heavy and blatant that there was no way he was getting up without it and the dude was a mess and clearly heavily stunned when the ref stopped the fight. If the ref had of not stopped it and properly penalized for the fence grab then then the dude would have been reset to the ground and Lewis would have smashed him, but he was in no fit state to continue at the time of the stoppage.
 
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Not seen the Lewis card as my tivo was turned off at the wall. I'd be bias anyway, always thought he was a class act, when they had the floods he was out helping people with his truck, can see many in the mma world not doing that.

However the Dustin Holloway fight. It was great, reminded me why I started watching the sport. I managed to avoid spoilers also.

There are not many I enjoy watching these days sadly.
 
What a weird performance from Robert Whittaker, its like his grappling defence after 1 round sucked his entire cardio for the rest of the fight. Had it 2 each heading into r5 but weird to see the former ufc champ not do anything much in round 5.
 
HighlandeR said:
What a weird performance from Robert Whittaker, its like his grappling defence after 1 round sucked his entire cardio for the rest of the fight. Had it 2 each heading into r5 but weird to see the former ufc champ not do anything much in round 5.
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He emptied the gas taken trying to finish De Ridder. We all love Rob but lets face it, he's no longer championship material and a another title run was not realistic. If I was him I would retire very soon while I still have my health and before he tarnishes his legacy. Pretty sure he could make money purely from streaming.
 
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