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Robbo said:
There are reports that Brentford keep moving the goalposts in terms of price, if that's true then I understand our hesitation, but that should mean we move on to a different target.

You can't just sit around and wait.
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I agree with this, if the club want to change the narrative they need to actually take action. This has all the makings of dragging out and then spending 75m at the end of August because Brentford have no time to replace him and us having a player with no pre season.

Slightly surprised that Garnacho is also being frozen out of training etc. Whilst i understand that Rashford/Sancho etc have been being pushed out for a while. I think there's still a place in the squad for Garnacho if no offer comes in
 
Martynt74 said:
Slightly surprised that Garnacho is also being frozen out of training etc. Whilst i understand that Rashford/Sancho etc have been being pushed out for a while. I think there's still a place in the squad for Garnacho if no offer comes in
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Yeah maybe he should have thought about that before repeatedly challenging the manager and posing with a fellow exile's loan club shirt. Ask yourself, would Fergie have tolerated the continuing petulance? Lee Sharpe was moved on for far less and was arguably a greater talent.
 
Martynt74 said:
Slightly surprised that Garnacho is also being frozen out of training etc. Whilst i understand that Rashford/Sancho etc have been being pushed out for a while. I think there's still a place in the squad for Garnacho if no offer comes in
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I think that perhaps more has happened behind the scenes and hes basically been told to **** off. Whether Amorim is here long term, what hes doing is correct. United have been a joke of a club and large contributor to that is a complete lack of professionalism and standards from the senior players. You can't sort the rot out unless you sort that out.

Watched a documentary on Fergie the other day and one of the things he always stressed was that unless you give everything, the other stuff doesn't matter. Thats the base line. Everything else is built on that foundation.
 
I think Garnacho has talent but his development has stalled and he's had numerous discipline problems. The one following the final seems to have been the last straw
 
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Liverpool reject second bid for Diaz from Bayern Munich 67.5m euros
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I suspect he'll be sold once the offers start getting towards the £70m mark.

Who we look at replacing him with will be interesting. There's been a lot of talk about Gordon but would Newcastle sell him to us as well as Isak? Fofarna's being linked a fair bit in France and there's a lot of reports coming out of Spain regarding Rodrygo recently too. Listening to a podcast the other month a statto mentioned how Liverpool's eggheads are/were massively into Rodyrygo before he went to Real and the club made a big effort to sign him at the time.
 
Bluebozzy said:
There's a disconnect between the players that Manchester United (both the club & the players) see are "good enough for the club" and the players that they can attract - wages are basically the only bridge for that. The club's prestige only goes so far, and even that is waning as we're approaching a time where young players do not remember Utd as a formidable team and world-beaters. No European competition is only going to make this even more difficult as players want to play in those competitions.

Utd have to keep flexing their financial muscles until it finally works and gets them out of this mess, or gamble on a bunch of youngsters and hope it turns out.

Sancho's massive wages are for a reason, before he joined Utd he was the most sought after player in world football (after Mbappe, who everybody already knew was Madrid bound at some point). He just didn't pan out, and thats why they seem so excessive.
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I completely disagree with your last point. I don't recall Sancho being that sought after (certainly no where near only being coveted second only to Mbappe), and even if he was, that's one hell of a fall from grace. If anything, I think most people were well aware that Sancho came with a lot of baggage.

It's well known his punctuality during training and general application at Dortmund was below their expectation, but he performed well on game day so it papered over the cracks. I don't think anyone can argue that the Premier League isn't a step up in quality from the Bundesliga so if your performance doesn't follow, the baggage becomes more obvious.

I think the fact only Juventus are making any serious noise about signing him but only if the fee is much smaller vs expectation, and we pay the balance on his remaining year's as they can't afford his wages - speaks volumes as to his stock right now.

Ultimately he isn't the first, nor will he be the last, talented person completely wasting their potential because they're not driven enough. The funny thing is though in the ridiculous world of football, you can earn serious money whilst basically being unprofessional.
 
Robbo said:
There are reports that Brentford keep moving the goalposts in terms of price, if that's true then I understand our hesitation, but that should mean we move on to a different target.

You can't just sit around and wait.
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I think those reports have come out of United. We're about as transparent as possible on transfers - Arsenal and Liverpool could well attest to this - but I imagine we've got more than a little frustrated with Man United messing around with bids whilst also trying to play things out in the press.

With all our other sales - Watkins, Toney, Raya, Benrahma, etc - we've stated that if you reach the set price we'll sell. We're not going to ask for a fee and then say no once someone has reached it. But that doesn't stop us from changing the asking price if the buying club is faffing around with bids that aren't going to be accepted and then we amend the fee if the market moves up in between.
 
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BaZ87 said:
I suspect he'll be sold once the offers start getting towards the £70m mark.

Who we look at replacing him with will be interesting. There's been a lot of talk about Gordon but would Newcastle sell him to us as well as Isak? Fofarna's being linked a fair bit in France and there's a lot of reports coming out of Spain regarding Rodrygo recently too. Listening to a podcast the other month a statto mentioned how Liverpool's eggheads are/were massively into Rodyrygo before he went to Real and the club made a big effort to sign him at the time.
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Do you think not replacing Diaz is a possibility? Maybe using Gakpo and Chiesa on the left and using the Diaz monies toward a no.9?

As it stands its looking like quite an interesting transfer window, a lot has been made of "big" names like Kerkez, Frimpong and Wirtz coming in, but its not beyond the realms of possibility that just as many "big" names could be going out, Trent, Konate, Diaz. Its going to be a much changed team it seems, I know that a lot of people have Liverpool as favourites for the league title again but there is the question of whether that many changes might take time to gel.

On the issue of Diaz, I'm not against him going and would be happy for him to go relatively rapidly for around 65m , rapid so that we can get on with signing a replacement as quickly as possible, I've always said that Diaz breaks down as many attacks as he aids in and tbh, I think Gakpo is better (in a team play sense) for us in that position than Diaz.
 
toshj said:
I think those reports have come out of United. We're about as transparent as possible on transfers - Arsenal and Liverpool could well attest to this - but I imagine we've got more than a little frustrated with Man United messing around with bids whilst also trying to play things out in the press.

With all our other sales - Watkins, Toney, Raya, Benrahma, etc - we've stated that if you reach the set price we'll sell. We're not going to ask for a fee and then say no once someone has reached it. But that doesn't stop us from changing the asking price if the buying club is faffing around with bids that aren't going to be accepted and then we amend the fee if the market moves up in between.
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I'm not accusing Brentford of anything, I strongly suspect the fault lies with our negotiating team... whatever's happened, it's poor.
 
toshj said:
I think we've taken a view that £65m for Mbuemo was actually too cheap given than Elanga went for £55m and Madueke for £50m.

Initial asking price seemed to be £65m but for that not to include a load of unlikely-to-be-hit add-ons - as the early offers seemed to be in the 50's with far too much weighting toward add-ons.

Hopefully the club have reassessed their asking price given those other recent transfers, and asked for something that begins with a 7.
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What happens if no one ends up buying him and he has a stinker of a season? He is worth nothing then and you have a player that doesn't want to be there. He has had 1 good season.

He is a massive risk for Utd so it does go both ways.
 
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I don't get all the hysterics about deals taking a few weeks. I'd much rather not get our pants pulled down as usual.

Our biggest problem is that as a club we have managed to get in the habit of not only signing players on massive wages that don't live up to expectations, but then compounding things by having an environment such that they end up publicly falling out with the management.
 
Tombstone said:
Do you think not replacing Diaz is a possibility? Maybe using Gakpo and Chiesa on the left and using the Diaz monies toward a no.9?

As it stands its looking like quite an interesting transfer window, a lot has been made of "big" names like Kerkez, Frimpong and Wirtz coming in, but its not beyond the realms of possibility that just as many "big" names could be going out, Trent, Konate, Diaz. Its going to be a much changed team it seems, I know that a lot of people have Liverpool as favourites for the league title again but there is the question of whether that many changes might take time to gel.

On the issue of Diaz, I'm not against him going and would be happy for him to go relatively rapidly for around 65m , rapid so that we can get on with signing a replacement as quickly as possible, I've always said that Diaz breaks down as many attacks as he aids in and tbh, I think Gakpo is better (in a team play sense) for us in that position than Diaz.
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Not unless there was another forward coming in somewhere else too. Even before you consider how little Chiesa featured last season, he can't be the only cover for both the left and right, remembering that Salah will be away for a period during AFCON.

Even if you work on the basis that Wirtz has been signed to play from the left (like Coutinho used to play), which is far from certain and assuming that Nunez is leaving, letting Diaz go and replacing him with a striker leaves you with 5 players for 3 roles. As above, with AFCON and Slot clearly not fancying Chiesa, imo that's not enough.

I said previously that I thought the club probably wasn't as fixated on a centre forward as much as most fans were and that if they couldn't land a top class striker then we were more likely to go for a flexible forward, like a Diaz or Gordon type, that can play across the front rather than spend ott on a 2nd rate striker. Jota's passing probably changes that. If Nunez is to leave as we all think, we'd have no centre forwards at all and I'm not sure you can go into the season without at least one in the squad.

I think everything is a bit up in the air at the moment but if Nunez and Diaz leave then I'd be amazed if we didn't sign a striker and another wide player, possibly even two wide players with Chiesa leaving too.
 
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