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Chinese cars! WTF!

My pal sent me some photos of his brand new Factor Ostro VAM this morning. Dura ace set up and $19,000. Strewth. I’m off out today to try and get myself a "just above entry level" gravel bike for around $2,500. Doesn't seem to be stock anywhere. I did try out the Specialzed Diverge Comp last week in a 58 but it felt a little big. All my other bikes have been 56.
Crazy money, but Factor do seem to be that 'big new premium' brand don't they?! All the influencers riding them instead of Specialized/Cervelo. I know they're not American, seem to come across as american backed/marketed etc with Phil G et al, but made in Taiwan. Possibly explains why they're in Oz, you guys must have more money than EU if people are still buying DA kitted bikes! ;)

Wonder how Trumps tariffs will impact them. Froomey seems to love his, but might also explain why he's still riding Pro (and not getting anywhere) as he's a factor owner/boardmember/invested etc.

When we were looking for a new car a few years back we went to look at Audis and apart from the cost I was simply astonished at what they didn't come with as standard. Absolute robbery.
Like what? Always loved my A3 and all the 'modern' stuff it came with - even being an 'old' car (2006) when I had it in 2010, it had bluetooth phone connection with steering buttons, heated seats, individual climate controls and such. Quattro was a beast to drive but an engineering marvel that got me in/out places in mud/snow nothing else would have! But I did trade it in over over 110k miles as once things started going wrong 1 after another... And they where expensive! Bought it for £11.5k then 3.5 years later (& 2-3k in parts) traded it for 4k and was lucky to get that with a dodgy turbo on it... Probably the only car I've owned which was financially a mistake. It was fun though!

Drove Fords before and the Fiesta we got then was only a temporary thing (too small!) and we still have it 12 years later...! Will die at some point and likely go hybrid focus/kuga type then. Reached the time in life when it feels pointless going for anything other than a Ford - have nearly always had them longer and better than expected... 10+ years/100k+ miles without problems. To go back on topic - a bit like my bikes really! :cry:

Love my 2016 Diverge carbon comp, these days nearly always got something wrong with it and very much 'Triggers Broom', but 30,000km and so many battle wounds I'm literally waiting for it to die. But almost hopeful the frame fails in some way to get a 'lifetime warranty' replacement for it! But if that doesn't happen can see it being replaced with a new Giant Defy Advanced... Just very good for the money - have a spare Di2 groupset & wheels to go on it so can buy low range.
 
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Crazy money, but Factor do seem to be that 'big new premium' brand don't they?!

The premium-ist! :p

Wouldn't say they are big though. I've only ever seen a few others on the road. One other guy in our club has one, even though I've only seen it a few times. That was partly the reason I got one, as they seemed different to 'another Cervelo, Pinarello etc etc'
Didn't pay 19k for mine though!!
 
Like what?

This was probably about 4 years ago but I seem to remember that it came with no parking cameras and only rear parking sensors. All the stuff like seat adjustment was mechanical. There was just a lot of things that much much cheaper cars came with as standard or at least at very little extra cost and the Audis were adding a lot for it.

Was your A3 brand new?

The silly thing about a lot of "car tech" is that its been around for decades. It was just on more expensive cars and now its far more standard. I just really wasn't impressed by the value proposition for new Audis.
 
I have a 2023 S3 and you really have to add a few things onto it to make it worthwhile. Great car to drive though just thirsty at times.

Edit: My Mk5 GTI had features my 23 S3 doesn’t. Which is bonkers really.
 
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I’ve always found that with the premium segment though. They seem to do awfully specced base cars just to try and tempt people in at a cheap price. Whereas the lesser brands just bundle them in.

My dad has a big standard F Pace and the lack of features is criminal when you consider the cost. Showing him all the features on my Lexus which was cheaper shocked him I think.

Now my newest car is touching on 19 years old and I don’t care if I drive it into a wall (as I did yesterday)
 
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They were online only but one of the Melbourne bike shops now stocks them. https://www.thecyclingfix.com.au/collections/factor-road-bikes
If you buy online you can customise the paint job and the sticker colours for not that much more money. ($800) https://au.factorbikes.com/bike-builder/ostro-vam-shimano-dura-ace

I was reading the drag factor figures published by tour magazine and they had the Ostro Vam as the fastest without a rider (because, erm that’s important right?) but the SL8 fastest with a rider on board (although on podcast I listen to they claim Tour Mag have tested the new Cervello S5 and its the fastest of the lot but this is only a week or so back)
That shop I linked above sells the SL8 as well and there basically is no difference in price with the Factors or the S Works. The Factors don't win tour stages and the S Works would have better resale value but if I was about to shell out that kind of coin I'd get a custom Factor every day of the week. :cool:

 
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I really like the look of the Factors. They are another bike that just looks fast. Icon blue looks pretty awesome on that bike. Other than that, custom!
 
Yeah I do always like that. Until you ruined it of course :p

I’ve got an old Jeep Wrangler for roof down fun. Your car wouldn’t even make it up the road to my house!

haha.. yup, it's ruined and I'm doing a euro trip in it in September, wife's seat is the original one so comfier than my race bucket. We'll see if I can take it..
 
The premium-ist! :p

Wouldn't say they are big though. I've only ever seen a few others on the road. One other guy in our club has one, even though I've only seen it a few times. That was partly the reason I got one, as they seemed different to 'another Cervelo, Pinarello etc etc'
Didn't pay 19k for mine though!!
Haha wouldn't say that premium... Sorry mate! ;)

See just as many of them here as Cervelo, Pinarello, Madone, Bianchi and 3T... Maybe only the SL8 see a few more of compared to other 'top' bikes. Certainly here (but not exactly an affluent area for top end bike sales) but really the 2 owners with them I know of, would be riders previous years who where riding Tarmacs/Aethos/Strada/F10 - so always riding 'top' bikes. Just Factor seems 'rare' as really hasn't been a mainstream bike brand for long compared to the others... We get quite diluted when spotting an S-Works or Cervelo S series don't we... As although they might be an SL6 or an S3, they're still a 'top' bike. Just might be 10 years old. So when we see a newer S5, or SL8 it's just 'more of the same just newer' isn't it, only the learned eye notices?

So really as we don't see any Factors from 5+ years ago, maybe even less, the name isn't around as much to be as recognised. Throw in the non-S-Works versions of a Tarmac, or things like the Pinarello Prince and the lower range brand penetration brands like Trek and Specialized due to their wide ranges over many years, the brands can seem to be 'everywhere', but really look closely... How many of those are an early S-Works Venge/Tarmac (Specialized are a 'bad' example as the S-Works Tarmac is branded differently to the standard Specialized Tarmac), how many of those Pinarello's are an F11/F12. But you get my point... Maybe :D

This was probably about 4 years ago but I seem to remember that it came with no parking cameras and only rear parking sensors. All the stuff like seat adjustment was mechanical. There was just a lot of things that much much cheaper cars came with as standard or at least at very little extra cost and the Audis were adding a lot for it.

Was your A3 brand new?

The silly thing about a lot of "car tech" is that its been around for decades. It was just on more expensive cars and now its far more standard. I just really wasn't impressed by the value proposition for new Audis.
Nope A3 wasn't new, was a 2006 so quite a bit mechanical like seats and such, did have parking sensors, but I guess back then (nearly 20 years ago!) parking sensors where not even standard. I guess I wouldn't call a parking camera standard... Would totally agree about 'extras' costing so much, but that's not a new thing exactly is it with cars... Always dealerships trying to sweeten the deal (I've never owned a 'brand new' car!)

Got a guy at work here paid £6k more on a Tourag for the 4WD version, then 6 months after owning it discovered it hadn't got it (while stuck in snow!), the garage (VAG dealership) then giving him a bunch of (what I'd call mostly) 'cosmetic' upgrades and the difference back to keep it (like fitting leather electric seats & alloys). Crazy. But I'm also very out of the loop - my Fiesta is from 2010 (although I've got a '60 plate on it) and a Zetec S not exactly 'standard' it still has things I'm surprised about on what I'd call a 'small car'. Things like automatic wipers, automatic lights, steering wheel controls, electric folding mirrors and parking sensors are extra things I don't consider a standard car to have. But guess I am 'old' (45)! Most (all?) of my cars have cost less than a 'flagship' top end race bike ;)

Now my newest car is touching on 19 years old and I don’t care if I drive it into a wall (as I did yesterday)
Haha I think thats the thing isn't it. When you have an 'old' car (lets be honest traditionally anything over 10 years old and 100k miles) you're generally keeping it long term. With that comes the 'don't really care' about the odd bump and prang which are just cosmetic :D

Psh you girls with your boring cars..



Fast gravel bikes, fast cars. ;)
S2000? Isn't that considered a classic car these days? ;)

Great choice though, not sure why but you've made it look like a Z4 with the front grille, bonnet and spoiler. Love the Plate! :D

I was reading the drag factor figures published by tour magazine and they had the Ostro Vam as the fastest without a rider (because, erm that’s important right?) but the SL8 fastest with a rider on board (although on podcast I listen to they claim Tour Mag have tested the new Cervello S5 and its the fastest of the lot but this is only a week or so back)
That shop I linked above sells the SL8 as well and there basically is no difference in price with the Factors or the S Works. The Factors don't win tour stages and the S Works would have better resale value but if I was about to shell out that kind of coin I'd get a custom Factor every day of the week. :cool:
Oh don't get me wrong, they're very good bikes and certainly have a 'pedigree' but when you're comparing them to an S5 or SL8 (or any modern top end bike) they're all 'much of a muchness' when it comes to aero features and looks aren't they. The differences for mere mortals like us are going to be so marginal. You end up with weird things like the Madone seat wedge or S5 handlebar to stand out from the crowd. So that Ostro VAM has a very similar profile 'look' to something like the SL8 without something to set it apart. Oh they do custom paint? Sold. Well has theirs been ridden to Olympic and World championship wins? Hate to say it, I'd rather look like Remco than Froomey (jokes) ;)
 
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new shimano freebody arrived for the elite wheels and managed to put them on the bike over the lunch break. Seem really good all in, decided to stay tubed, swapped to tpu tubes - 38g each so still lighter but I guess not as good as tubeless.

I'll go tubeless in the future just don't have the time right now to fight it for the first time.
 
new shimano freebody arrived for the elite wheels and managed to put them on the bike over the lunch break. Seem really good all in, decided to stay tubed, swapped to tpu tubes - 38g each so still lighter but I guess not as good as tubeless.

I'll go tubeless in the future just don't have the time right now to fight it for the first time.

TPU are apparently just as good ride feel wise and definitely lighter than tubeless. Especially because you can run tyres that aren't tubeless compatible (which I think can be lighter).

The required amount of sealant per tyre along with the residue buildup/top ups required makes tubeless a bit heavier than just running TPU.
 
TPU are apparently just as good ride feel wise and definitely lighter than tubeless. Especially because you can run tyres that aren't tubeless compatible (which I think can be lighter).

The required amount of sealant per tyre along with the residue buildup/top ups required makes tubeless a bit heavier than just running TPU.
Ahh interesting, I presumed that tpu wouldn’t be as good. I’ve not had any problems with them so I’m quite happy running them in the tires. Add the fact that the tubes cost £3-£5 from Aliexpress (cyclami green) and I can’t complain. Makes things much simpler as the tubeless tape elite wheels provided was a bit meh.
 
Who was looking at gravel bikes recently? Watched a decent video on a Yoeleo frame last night

Me :)

Still no decision made. Got my eye on a couple of Canyons on marketplace but by the time I buy a new chain, pedals, cages and a service there isn't much of a saving against new. Except I can't seem to find much new anywhere!
 
TPU are apparently just as good ride feel wise and definitely lighter than tubeless. Especially because you can run tyres that aren't tubeless compatible (which I think can be lighter).

The required amount of sealant per tyre along with the residue buildup/top ups required makes tubeless a bit heavier than just running TPU.

Bizarely, I went from 32mm Gravelkings with TPU tubes to 40mm tubeless Hutchinson Caracal (non Race) and felt the bigger tyres felt lighter/faster which actually shocked me a bit. I assumed Tubeless would be lighter and that was offsetting the increased weight of the tyres
 
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