Who else hates this guy (Gregg Wallace)?

dowie said:
Again, that's clearly untrue, as you've already been shown - the BBC has literally upheld the use of the n-word by their staff in the workplace in some incidents.

There are multiple situations where it clearly is acceptable from an actor saying it while playing a character to a newsreader quoting it, etc.. and there are various grey areas where it may break social taboos.
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This isn't a piece being braodcast where the use of the word is relevent. The example you gave is utterly irrelivent. Not only that, the show isn't produced by the BBC, they buy it in from a 3rd party production company. The BBC will have very little oversight of what happens on the day to day production of the show, any previous cases at the BBC are utterly irrelivent because it didn't happen at the BBC.

The word has zero place being used in general conversaiton in a professional work environment. Why do you think it is acceptable to start spouting the n-word in general conversation with other in a professional work environment?
 
Nasher said:
If you are left in that situation, you get out of it. Too risky now. If they decide to launch a campaign against you in future it's your word against theirs and most likely you'll be turfed out.
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How can any business function if a man and a woman cannot work together on something.

Are you genuinely telling me if you need to work with a woman, in a meeting for example, you refuse?

Or if three of you are working and one leaves, you have to remove yourself?
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
This isn't a piece being braodcast where the use of the word is relevent. The example you gave is utterly irrelivent.
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It's simply a counter to your incorrect claim, it's not being presented as an equivalent to the story.

You claim it's not acceptable in the workplace, it's not acceptable in any context, but that's just completely false.

b0rn2sk8 said:
The word has zero place being used in general conversaiton in a professional work environment. Why do you think it is acceptable to start spouting the n-word in general conversation with other in a professional work environment?
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See, now you're moving the goalposts - so you agree the n-word is actually acceptable in some contexts contrary to your previous claim?

And again, the acceptability of the use or mention of it depends on context, this isn't hard to understand!
 
My mental gymnastics you are going to here to try and justify the use of racial slurs is frankly outstanding. There is no good reason to use racial slurs in conversation.

There is no goal posts moving here on my part, just a very, and frankly bazzare, hill for you to die on trying to defend something which is indefencable...
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
The n-word has absolutely no place in any context.
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So you're unfamiliar with hip hop? With acting? With a newsreader quoting the use of it?

b0rn2sk8 said:
There is no good reason to use racial slurs in conversation.

There is no goal posts moving here on my part,
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Your previous claim was "any context" - now you've shifted the goalposts to "in conversation." (also needs context)

b0rn2sk8 said:
just a very, and frankly bazzare, hill for you to die on trying to defend something which is indefencable...
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Defend what? The use of the n-word in hip-hop music?

You're having to move goalposts and construct a vague straw man argument here - what specifically am I defending that you think is indefensible? Note you don't specify or even quote me on this indefensible thing - you're constructing a vague straw man where you merely act as though I've said something indefensible.

Are you still going to hold onto the claim that there is no context at all where the n-word can be used? In which case, I've given some pretty obvious examples where that is wrong. Instead of just ranting about hills to die on etc.. or acting as though I've said the n-word should be used freely why not actually read what I've said properly and try and focus on that if you're going to reply to me.
 
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dowie said:
That would indeed be different, but that isn't actually what it says, you're adding some additional context you've made up yourself there - we don't have enough context about that incident to say it was used as a slur against another employee.
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:cry:

You do have a pathological inability to just say "Oh yea, I was wrong, maybe I shouldn't have just believed GBeebies so readily because it aligns with my anti-woke agenda"
 
BBC had a good satire(dead-ringers) of this debacle with Henry viii being informed of removal from bbc drama series for abuse ,
also bibi calling UK drone suppliers requesting more malfunctioning equipment.
 
Freakbro said:
:cry:

You do have a pathological inability to just say "Oh yea, I was wrong, maybe I shouldn't have just believed GBeebies so readily because it aligns with my anti-woke agenda"
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No, you just made up something - you said he used it as "direct slur against another employee" but none of the reporting says that.
 
Oh good, we've not had a dowiehole for ages.

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Diddums x said:
Oh good, we've not had a dowiehole for ages.
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Well, if he's going to insist on making things up... the article says he "used" the word but includes singing it in a song as an example of that. It also says it was "used" on set and directed towards someone, but no additional context.

It is a slur when used in the original meaning, but I think it's pretty misleading to claim it's used as a slur directed towards someone when that certainly isn't clear at all from the reporting - that implies it was used maliciously or as an insult.

There's a big difference, for example, between someone saying it casually or ironically (often with an "a" ending) vs someone actually cursing at someone and using it as a direct insult/slur. That's not to say that it is appropriate to do the former either; it's still socially taboo at the very least, but it's substantially different from actually using it as a slur.

www.bbc.co.uk

MasterChef: John Torode subject of racist language allegation in report

The TV presenter says he has "no recollection" of any of it, adding: "I do not believe that it happened."
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In his statement, Torode said: "For the sake of transparency, I confirm that I am the individual who is alleged to have used racial language on one occasion.

He added that the allegation included that the "person I was speaking with did not believe that it was intended in a malicious way and that I apologised immediately afterwards".

"I have absolutely no recollection of any of this, and I do not believe that it happened," he said.
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JonRGV250 said:
They’ll be massively edited out I reckon, in fact I doubt we’ll barely see them.
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I don't watch Masterchef, but I can imagine it would be a better show if they did that.

I think it's fairly plausible that I can tell Brenda is cooking an egg without needing an overpaid prat to stand there and tell me she's she cooking an egg.
 
I agree with that decision as long as editing steps are taken to limit the screen time of the duo. The competitors would have been devastated if it was totally scrapped.
 
Such exaggerated outrage, just don’t watch it. We don’t even know what Torode did.

Jim99 said:
I think it's fairly plausible that I can tell Brenda is cooking an egg without needing an overpaid prat to stand there and tell me she's she cooking an egg.
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That’s not what it’s like, it’s about the competitors.
 
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