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I don’t want to make predictions until the end of the transfer window. That said, my gut feeling is the players are going to continue struggling with Amorim’s system and it’ll become a hindrance…

But hopefully not! Bruno, Cunha and Mbeumo have a lot of quality, but it’ll mean nothing if the midfield and defence keep struggling.
 
Anyone watch the highlights from the pre-season friendly against West Ham?
Hojlund looks stronger and attack seemed a bit more bold with Cunha. Dorgu got fouled a lot, but to me it means he'll cause problems to defenders.
 
Just had a look at the remaining pre-season games and none of them are really against anyone good. Not sure thats great prep for the upcoming season.
 
Pre season just for fitness anyway wouldn't use it as a gauge we looked like Brazil pre season before, and then the season started. :p
 
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sigma said:
You missed off Ole ;)

Edit - you didn't.

I'd say LvG and Jose were, surely not at their peak but they were up there at one point. And it's hard to disagree with the EtH appointment at the time as he was very successful as was Amorim to a lesser degree.

In terms of EPL experience Chelsea tried Potter and that didn't work.

There's aren't that many elite coaches around. Slot is just lucky to have Salah IMO.
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Potter was/is basically Moyes and the reason why those types of managers/coaches will never get a top of the tree job again. It’s just not worth the risk.

Agree with there not being that many, thats the way it should be though. Theres only ever going to be a few elite coaches and they’re all going to be in work - unless they retire.

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sigma said:
Do you agree that if Howe finishes above Amorim again he has to be considered better (in the EPL at least)?
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I think I’d say he is better but at the same time I don’t think I’d consider either elite at the moment. It’d be a different story if Howe gets a decent run in CL, wins another trophy and gets a solid top four position. After having this rocky summer then he’s well on his way.

sigma said:
That's what I'm saying about this season, adding the two players we have is great but are they really going to make the team a top 4 team? Really?

Aside from those two, if the players haven't picked up Amorim's system by now, how long is it going to take?
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I’m in the view of thinking, you should be able to come in and work with what you’ve got and improve players. This oh he doesn’t do this well enough, gotta bin him off i’m afraid isn’t exactly great. It’s the same with these coaches who think they’ll all end up getting a massive job like Kompany if they keep getting beat week in week out but they still passing it around at the back!
 
fez said:
Just had a look at the remaining pre-season games and none of them are really against anyone good. Not sure thats great prep for the upcoming season.
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I disagree on that point. Ok there is no high profile games like against Madrid, Barca etc. That said it's a good physical run out that get's us prepped for the start of the season against teams who in theory should offer the same intensity and physicality as what we will face week in week out. The only game I am not really looking forward to is vs Dithering Dave's Everton. Percentages / frustration / thats all it will be
 
Reuben klang said:
Potter was/is basically Moyes and the reason why those types of managers/coaches will never get a top of the tree job again. It’s just not worth the risk.

Agree with there not being that many, thats the way it should be though. Theres only ever going to be a few elite coaches and they’re all going to be in work - unless they retire.

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I think I’d say he is better but at the same time I don’t think I’d consider either elite at the moment. It’d be a different story if Howe gets a decent run in CL, wins another trophy and gets a solid top four position. After having this rocky summer then he’s well on his way.



I’m in the view of thinking, you should be able to come in and work with what you’ve got and improve players. This oh he doesn’t do this well enough, gotta bin him off i’m afraid isn’t exactly great. It’s the same with these coaches who think they’ll all end up getting a massive job like Kompany if they keep getting beat week in week out but they still passing it around at the back!
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For what it's worth I never brought up the elite manager aspect. I was simply asking who is better.

Also, the "elite" managers typically have the elite players at their disposal. United do not have any elite players, maybe Bruno.

You say about chopping and changing players but what if these players aren't good enough for the club's aspirations? Then they need to go.
 
sigma said:
You say about chopping and changing players but what if these players aren't good enough for the club's aspirations? Then they need to go.
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**** me, the other day it was amorim you were talking about replacing now it's the players. you need to stay off the hooch :p
 
sigma said:
We're not an elite club any more, we've tried elite coaches in the past.

If Howe finishes above Amorim again he'll have performed better with lower budgets over many years. Hence the question.
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I’d not call Howe an elite coach but he took over a team of average and dispirited players that were on an express journey towards the first division and turned them into cup winners and two time champions league qualifiers. Look at Joelinton and Jacob Murphy for starters as well as a Swedish lad not many others fancied and stands to more than double his transfer value. He shuffles his players into different systems and coaches them into a specific way of winning games as he did in the cup run, exploiting what he thought was a weakness in the opposition. Meanwhile being undermined and let down in several consecutive transfer windows as his squad is eroded and weakened.
Amorim took a similar, although massively more expensive group, can’t find a place for most in his rigid system while shunning some of the so called super stars towards a situation where by they are likely going to end up leaving while incurring large financial losses.

I know which one I’d rather have and if the lack of backing from whomever calls themselves the NUFC board these days continues he may find himself wanting to move elsewhere and to be honest I couldn’t blame him. Despite the short term troubles the club find itself in you get the feeling due to their financial might they’ll get it right sooner or later. It’s a behemoth of a club and still a massive draw for players and coaches in world football.
 
Watching the West Ham highlights, you can see the difference Cunha is going to make, giving us that go forward in midfield.

Hojlund looking like a worldie 9 for a few seconds then putting the ball into the post just about sums him up sadly.
 
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Watching the West Ham highlights, you can see the difference Cunha is going to make, giving us that go forward in midfield.

Hojlund looking like a worldie 9 for a few seconds then putting the ball into the post just about sums him up sadly.
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Yeah, hes on defenders quickly getting turnovers and hes always looking to break between the lines and drive us forwards. If Mbuemo can do the same it will make the world of difference. Thats something we have desperately missed. Garnacho wants to run at players but hes always doing it on the wings and often waits too long to try and beat his man. We need those 10s who can roll a man and get into the defence.

Amad does it well and times and when he was on form last season that was the difference. He would come on and immediately stretch the opposition because he would let the ball run across him and be off at their back line or he would have them retreating. We need more of that. I wonder if we will end up playing a bit more of a fluid front 3 if we don't get a forward and Obi/Hojlund don't step up. Bruno isn't a CM that can handle a loaded PL midfield. Hes much better further forward but then we need someone else in that CM position.
 
Vandle said:
I’d not call Howe an elite coach but he took over a team of average and dispirited players that were on an express journey towards the first division and turned them into cup winners and two time champions league qualifiers. Look at Joelinton and Jacob Murphy for starters as well as a Swedish lad not many others fancied and stands to more than double his transfer value. He shuffles his players into different systems and coaches them into a specific way of winning games as he did in the cup run, exploiting what he thought was a weakness in the opposition. Meanwhile being undermined and let down in several consecutive transfer windows as his squad is eroded and weakened.
Amorim took a similar, although massively more expensive group, can’t find a place for most in his rigid system while shunning some of the so called super stars towards a situation where by they are likely going to end up leaving while incurring large financial losses.

I know which one I’d rather have and if the lack of backing from whomever calls themselves the NUFC board these days continues he may find himself wanting to move elsewhere and to be honest I couldn’t blame him. Despite the short term troubles the club find itself in you get the feeling due to their financial might they’ll get it right sooner or later. It’s a behemoth of a club and still a massive draw for players and coaches in world football.
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You can't blame shunning "super stars" (not that there are any) solely on Amroim.

Sancho and Rashford have been issues since way before Amorim. EtH didn't play Antony either.
 
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