What do gamers actually think about Ray-Tracing?

[t2na]

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[Kaapstad]

Wut? Who on earth would buy the gimped model just to save £50 when you're already spending the best part of £2k

The difference would need to be much greater to tempt buyers who aren't too fussed about RT.

That is the problem

£2k for a mainstream high end gaming card is way too much.

People laughed at me when I bought a couple of Titan Vs, unfortunately some of those people are having to pay the same or even more for a gaming card.

The Titan V was a great card for gaming, professional work and it had Ray Tracing support if you wanted to use it.

I would be very interested to know how much the cost of build materials are for a 5090, I bet it is no where near £2K

 

[Kaapstad]

I recon a fiver

5 Rand or 5 Pounds.

 

[humbug]

@melmac You're laughing at everything, every post has your sideways laughing face in it, I imagine you running round in a Tulip costume licking windows.

 

[mrk]

31 man sized pages. 31.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That is the problem

£2k for a mainstream high end gaming card is way too much.

People laughed at me when I bought a couple of Titan Vs, unfortunately some of those people are having to pay the same or even more for a gaming card.

The Titan V was a great card for gaming, professional work and it had Ray Tracing support if you wanted to use it.

I would be very interested to know how much the cost of build materials are for a 5090, I bet it is no where near £2K

Because it's an enthusiasts forum where people will spend hours checking to see if the RT implementation is 3% off. So that justifies all the increasingly expensive cards. Although it unfortunately pushed up the prices of entry level and midrange cards.

Meanwhile in the realworld,I expect many gamers just go with whatever the auto settings set in the game and would have no clue if RT,PT or full rasta was enabled.

 

[Zarax]

This reminds of the discussion around environmental bump mapping in the late 1990s, basically the ancestor of modern PBR.
It was hyped to give photo-realistic texturing and it was cool but at a heavy performance hit, however Matrox didn't manage to pull what Nvidia did here back then...

 

[Calin Banc]

I'm not fighting progress, just my opinion on the current state. I'm always fully in with all new tech. Bought into 5 series to mess with mfg. Like i said, as a tech enthusiast since before 3dfx, i like RT, but do think RT is overhyped and would hesitate to recommend to my more casual gamer friends at the current price to performance..

But you can't separate RT from raster nowadays, they're the same cards...

 

[Calin Banc]

Because it's an enthusiasts forum where people will spend hours checking to see if the RT implementation is 3% off. So that justifies all the increasingly expensive cards. Although it unfortunately pushed up the prices of entry level and midrange cards.

Meanwhile in the realworld,I expect many gamers just go with whatever the auto settings set in the game and would have no clue if RT,PT or full rasta was enabled.

What, would you say, is the correct name for a rtx 4080? Should have been the 4060ti or a 4070 giving the chip used?

 

[Sc00p007]

But you can't separate RT from raster nowadays, they're the same cards...

My original point was a hypothetical, hence: imagine. Was just a passing thought, don't need to analyse too much As said many times by me, i like RT but just think it is overhyped.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

What, would you say, is the correct name for a rtx 4080? Should have been the 4060ti or a 4070 giving the chip used?

I think going by modern classification it really should have been an RTX4070/RTX4070TI class at around £550 to £650.Going by Fermi era it would be a 60TI but those days are long gone.

It would also meant the RTX4070 we got would have been a RTX4060 or RTX4060TI at below £400. The RTX3060TI was about 40% faster than an RTX2060 Super and the RTX4070 would have been just over 40% faster than an RTX3060TI.

The 80 series should be reserved for cards made from the largest gaming chip IMHO.

Unfortunately both companies seem to be quite happy with the rebranding.

 

[Hotwired]

So you do understand that RT isn't the issue, it's GPU pricing, which both AMD and Nvidia are scalping people on, AMD is overpriced because it has no real RT performance yet wants to charge you £900 for not even high end GPUs, Nvidia because it thinks twice that for high end if acceptable and nothing in the middle really fully realises actual good performance without introducing latency (MFG).

So relatively speaking, both vendors are overpriced in their respective lanes. Intel is the only bang for buck brand currently, but then it lacks the bells and whistles, but is priced accordingly.

Having an opinion on RT is not relevant, then, the core issue is GPU pricing.

Where's £900 for an AMD gpu from. As of today on ocuk 9070xt starts at 600 pre-order or 620 in stock.

 

[mrk]

I have not seen today's prices, going off what they were last I saw. A 9070 XT is not AMD's highest performing card anyway with last gens AMD flagship beating it by up to 10% and those were in what the £1k mark initially.

 

[Raelgun]

So you do understand that RT isn't the issue, it's GPU pricing, which both AMD and Nvidia are scalping people on, AMD is overpriced because it has no real RT performance yet wants to charge you £900 for not even high end GPUs, Nvidia because it thinks twice that for high end if acceptable and nothing in the middle really fully realises actual good performance without introducing latency (MFG).

So relatively speaking, both vendors are overpriced in their respective lanes. Intel is the only bang for buck brand currently, but then it lacks the bells and whistles, but is priced accordingly.

Having an opinion on RT is not relevant, then, the core issue is GPU pricing.

Please you are not allowed to speak on pricing with how you bought your GPU for personal use.

 

[mrk]

What?

 

[Firegod]

I have not seen today's prices, going off what they were last I saw. A 9070 XT is not AMD's highest performing card anyway with last gens AMD flagship beating it by up to 10% and those were in what the £1k mark initially.

The 9000 series are mid range GPUs. Shouldn't compare it to any flagship / high end cards. And the 9070XT does have RT performance, and at start of July these were available for £569.99.

 

[mrk]

Yes but is it the same RT performance to the equivalent RTX card?

 

[Firegod]

Yes but is it the same RT performance to the equivalent RTX card?

I'd have to go look that up. People seem to say it's equivalent to a 5070/5070Ti. If that helps. Not sure if that's raster and/or RT mind.

 

[mrk]

If I am buying a card that's above £500 then it is expected to be capable of high quality and good performance hardware RT, whether that is reached with upscaling/FG doesn't matter as this tech is in a mature state as of today, at least with one vendor in most games anyway.

UE5's Lumen RT at base is simply "ok", it has too much noise and many flaws otherwise, it needs to be running in hardware RT mode to be called very good quality.

 

[Firegod]

If I am buying a card that's above £500 then it is expected to be capable of high quality and good performance hardware RT, whether that is reached with upscaling/FG doesn't matter as this tech is in a mature state as of today, at least with one vendor in most games anyway.

UE5's Lumen RT at base is simply "ok", it has too much noise and many flaws otherwise, it needs to be running in hardware RT mode to be called very good quality.

Yeah I would think a £500 card is probably going to need some form of upscaling if you want to see "good performance RT". Depends on resolution being used, as well and the game in question. I've used FRS3.x and it's "alright". Visual artifacts for sure. FSR4 is where AMD now need to push on from, but I can't use that. AMD's FG (Fluid Motion Frames 2.1) is actually good, with reduced ghosting and stutters. I've noticed no real issues with it and it's delivered some good figures for me (as I game at 4k now).