EV general discussion

[SexyGreyFox]

Mine was convinced as soon as I told her how much it'll save in petrol very simple

Mine was convinced about the petrol and how much we'd save on house electricity with Octopus iGo.
It did take a bit of adjustment to not put the washer/dryer/dishwasher on at anytime but it became second nature after a couple of weeks.

 

[Mysterae_]

Mine was convinced as soon as I told her how much it'll save in petrol very simple

I'm almost there too. With a previous combined diesel bill of almost £400 a month compared to £70 if charged at home, it makes total sense. Ignore the cost of the cars though .

Mine was convinced about the petrol and how much we'd save on house electricity with Octopus iGo.
It did take a bit of adjustment to not put the washer/dryer/dishwasher on at anytime but it became second nature after a couple of weeks.

Mine is getting a bit tired of hearing about the savings .

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Mine is getting a bit tired of hearing about the savings .

She's just gone out to plug it in, we always get cheap electric from 21.30.

 

[Mysterae_]

She's just gone out to plug it in, we always get cheap electric from 21.30.

I get 6.7p pkWh between midnight and 7am although since I switched to that tariff the in-home display says I'm getting 6.7p all the time. If only! That part of the usage is suspiciously missing when I check the bill online.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I get 6.7p pkWh between midnight and 7am although since I switched to that tariff the in-home display says I'm getting 6.7p all the time. If only! That part of the usage is suspiciously missing when I check the bill online.

What does this mean?
Seems a bit low.

Last charge 8rs 11mins 5.89p/Kw

 

[On Holiday]

Boring, but:

Have crept up to a new "long-range" record of 3.8 mi/kWh on my Q4 e-tron 45 now. Happy with that.

100% charge was showing a 339 mile range today too, up from 300 which has proven to be real-world.

Far better than the maximum real-world 200 I could get in the EX30 Twin Ultra!

 

[Mysterae_]

What does this mean?
Seems a bit low.

Last charge 8rs 11mins 5.89p/Kw

I think it means that when I switched tariff something broke at EON's end. They did say that the IHD would stop working which it did, but it reconnected and now reports around 6-ish pence all the time. I'm sure is an error, unfortunately!

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I think it means that when I switched tariff something broke at EON's end. They did say that the IHD would stop working which it did, but it reconnected and now reports around 6-ish pence all the time. I'm sure is an error, unfortunately!

I'm confused why it's charging me only this much?

 

[Kenai]

I'm confused why it's charging me only this much?

5.89 kWh will be how much charge was added in that session, it's not saying you paid 5.89 pence per kWh.

 

[Conscript]

I think it means that when I switched tariff something broke at EON's end. They did say that the IHD would stop working which it did, but it reconnected and now reports around 6-ish pence all the time. I'm sure is an error, unfortunately!

The same happened for us, the IHD still works but only displays the lower rate all the time. I guess it's just not capable of switching the rate on the fly. It's a shame, but we still use it just to display the current and total daily energy consumption, just ignoring the cost readout.

 

[ICDP]

Putting this here as EV related.

Personally I find this a very good decision. Yes the driver was an idiot but this does hold manufacturers partially responsible for allowing and even actively encouraging idiots to idiot.

Tesla found partly to blame for fatal Autopilot crash

The company's self-driving technology failed to prevent a 2019 crash which killed a 22-year-old woman and severely injured her boyfriend in Florida.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[b0rn2sk8]

It certainly sets an interesting precedent given the system is meant to be level 2 as the yanks describe it and level 2 has always had the presumption that the driver is always in charge of the vehicle.

That said I’m surprised they let that civil case go to a jury trial. I would have thought the outcome would have been expected in a US civil trial even if they (Tesla lawyers) were legally correct in their view not being responsible.

Civil suits in the US are literally the Wild West compared to our system which is judge led and determined. Jurors is US suits often to find against large companies based on the ‘vibes’ rather than the detail of the case.

I think it’s only a 6 person jury and while the pool is randomly selected, they have a jury selection process to get to the 6. Each side can ask the jurors questions and they try to load the jury with people who may be sympathetic to their cause - cases can be won or lost at jury selection.

It’s a crazy system that produces some ‘interesting’ results sometimes. I’m pretty sure jurors also decide the headline and punitive damages. They may get reduced later by the judge but that’s why you also see some of these wild compensation numbers.

As for the basic autopilot software will just keep driving until it runs out of road regardless of how many intersections it blows though because it’s just TAAC + lane keep, there’s not anything special about it and most new cars have similar functionality these days.

Yes it should brake is a predestination walks out in front of it, but that doesn’t mean it will, that’s no different to any other system of its calibre.

Here’s a strawman - if someone walks out into the road and the automatic emergency braking doesn’t activate when it should, is the manufacturer liable?

 

[Mysterae_]

The same happened for us, the IHD still works but only displays the lower rate all the time. I guess it's just not capable of switching the rate on the fly. It's a shame, but we still use it just to display the current and total daily energy consumption, just ignoring the cost readout.

Thanks for the confirmation, I suspected as such. Even when checking the consumption with the EON Next app, it's missing for the days since switching - if the same happened to you, how long was before you could see your consumption on the app?

5.89 kWh will be how much charge was added in that session, it's not saying you paid 5.89 pence per kWh.

@SexyGreyFox I can see how that could be misconstrued, here's what I think you actually have to pay:

Time - 8h 11m so 8.18333 hours (11/60=0.18333)+8
Power Used = 5.89kWh
Used Per Hour = 0.719756kWh (5.89/8.1333)
Cost Per kWh = £0.067 (based this on my tariff so your's may be different)
Cost Per Hour of your consumption = £0.048224 (0.719756 x 0.067)
Total Cost of Duration = £0.39462 (0.048224 x 8.1333)

So that 8 hours and 11 minutes of consuming 5.89kWh cost you £0.39 in total.

As in all good classroom's, someone please check my maths!

Edited to add working for last part.

 

[tom_e]

Yep £0.39 is correct.

One thing I'm now slightly jealous of is how much information I can get out of the Hyundai app, the VW app is like babies first app in comparison

 

[Conscript]

Thanks for the confirmation, I suspected as such. Even when checking the consumption with the EON Next app, it's missing for the days since switching - if the same happened to you, how long was before you could see your consumption on the app?

I think it took a few days, but it does seem like the day charts on the app are a bit unreliable at the moment - but there is a message on the app main screen saying "For Time of Use Tariffs, your Energy Usage chart's Day view is unavailable" and that they are working on a solution. The Day view also shows "Estimated Cost (Beta)". I've got a feeling they are still ironing out a few things, so I've just gone with it. I can see in the app for previous days that it's correctly showing different usage rates for on and off peak, and they seem to be correct going by the energy usage when the car is charging.

 

[lordrobs]

Yes it should brake is a predestination walks out in front of it, but that doesn’t mean it will, that’s no different to any other system of its calibre.

The difference is that Tesla decided to call it Autopilot. People like us who enjoy reading about cars may be able to differentiate (or more accurately, not) the fact it is a level 2 system and what that really means.

Joe blogs however, quite understandably, sees autopilot as meaning that the car can pilot itself... Automatically.

Suitable terminology for the technology existed but Tesla decided to not use that terminology, probably to try and gain a marketing advantage.

 

[ICDP]

The difference is that Tesla decided to call it Autopilot. People like us who enjoy reading about cars may be able to differentiate (or more accurately, not) the fact it is a level 2 system and what that really means.

Joe blogs however, quite understandably, sees autopilot as meaning that the car can pilot itself... Automatically.

Suitable terminology for the technology existed but Tesla decided to not use that terminology, probably to try and gain a marketing advantage.

That was part of the reason Tesla were seen as partially liable.

It basically boils down to if FSD only works on highways why do you allow its use on urban roads. Also why does Elon keep saying it’s better than human drivers and will do most of your driving for you?

Obviously this is not just about Tesla but a lot of other manufacturers might start being wary of allowing ACC and auto drive systems in urban areas.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

The crash happened in 2019, FSD was vaporware at that point of time and Tesla was still using radar back then also. It doesnt say what year the car was, in theory it could have been using the MobileEye system they originally used.

I think you are right and that the marketing argument is persusasive however there is a part of the article which I has missed when I first read it.

The article says the driver had their foot on the accelerator which overode the cars software at the point of the crash, this really does point to the driver being wholly in control or at least should have been. That does change my view somewhat. You only need to convince 4/6 jurors on a US civil trial also so that also adds to the interesting outcomes you often see.

I think you are right about the other point though, if these systems are for controlled access highways only, why can they be enbled on other roads? That isn't just a tesla thing either. I don't use lanekeep/autosteer outside of a dual carridgeway for the fairly obvious reasons.

 

[FNG]

I want to give EV a go but still hesitant. I have approx £15-20k to get something second hand. Thinking of a Hyundai Kona or similar. Any thoughts? Is it daft buying outright secondhand? It is relaxing a ford fiesta but fancied something slightly larger (but not massive).

 

[Nikumba]

I want to give EV a go but still hesitant. I have approx £15-20k to get something second hand. Thinking of a Hyundai Kona or similar. Any thoughts? Is it daft buying outright secondhand? It is relaxing a ford fiesta but fancied something slightly larger (but not massive).

Look at the Kia e-Niro you want to look at a 4+ which is what I have mine has a hear pump but I get summer around 300 miles winter time around 270 miles, nice comfy, adaptative cruise is so nice, with Kia and think same as Hyundai you get the 100,000miles or 7 years warranty, but make sure it has a full service history or that warranty is invalid.

Had mine for over 3 years only issue I had with it was the 12v battery die but other than that no issues.