what headphones do you own thread - i own dt150's :)

Because of course it would be last!

So often the way when you're eager for the new toys and you're later on in the day.

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Side note to the new planar action, but I've spent some time this afternoon having to re-look at the Custom Cans HD 6XX Mass Copper Mod. Basically noticed yesterday that they were loose and the included 3 'spider' stickers aren't holding the weights in. I think part of the problem is the stock foam in the 650/6XX (tried both and the same) pushes the weights up 1mm so they can't stick to the plastic. Also the cut lines in the weights are too large to grip the plastic spider cage. I'm not even sure removing the stock foam would help much.

So tried a few things include white blue-tak being careful not to drop any in the foam/cage and use a tiny ring on the inside of the weight. Worked well but found a better solution using some old double-sided Cellotape 1mm pads cut to a circular shape. Has worked really well and the weights are firmly held. I'm reasonably certain I can pull the weights away as well so should still be reversible.

I did email Custom Cans about getting more spider stickers, however they didn't reply which I'm not that impressed with.
 
I remember on my weights I applied 2 dabs of super glue to each weight and then slotted them back in, the glue holds onto the fins on each cup and there's no budge that way, and because it's only 2 dabs, easy to lever off to reverse the mod if needs be.
 
I remember on my weights I applied 2 dabs of super glue to each weight and then slotted them back in, the glue holds onto the fins on each cup and there's no budge that way, and because it's only 2 dabs, easy to lever off to reverse the mod if needs be.

Good idea - I didn't think of that. That's interesting you had the issue too.

In the numerous Youtube videos, or the many reddit/forum threads on this mod I couldn't find anyone talking about the weights being loose. I tried it both with the 6XX and 650s and on both the weights wouldn't hold.
 
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They were not loose on mine but I could tell that if I placed them flat on the table a bit too briskly then the weights might dislodge from the slots, so that's when i conjured up the superglue idea which was simple enough to do
 
They were not loose on mine but I could tell that if I placed them flat on the table a bit too briskly then the weights might dislodge from the slots, so that's when i conjured up the superglue idea which was simple enough to do

Mine were OK when first using those stickers, but then loose the next day. Same thing today. Could wiggle them with a cocktail stick through the grills and taking them apart this afternoon one of the weights just fell off when lifted upside down. I do want to order some custom grills for these at some point and therefore wanted to find a more permanent solution. I can slightly see the sticky pad on the inside of the weight so I clearly didn't get the cut 100% but the current grills hides that and will redo them if it bothers me.
 
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Whilst @mrk waits for his....

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Any moment now...

I love these....I can't compare it to anything more expensive as these are my most expensive headphones so I am interested of what you think of these.

p.s. the XLR adaptor is nice, as is the 1/4 inch adaptor, it matches to the 3.5mm cable's jack. You will love it. Such nice detail.
 
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One reviewer spoke to Fosi directly about the tuning of the i5 and they confirmed that the dev team are huge fans of STAX electrostats and the goal was to tune the i5 to closely resemble STAX, and that these don't sound like your usual planars as a result. Mine is still not here yet, still out for delivery, driver probably stopped at a KFC.
 
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Oh yeah, I remember seeing a graph at the start of when the first review dropped, without the bass ring fix, the graph resembles one of the Stax headphones they mentioned. I like how it sounds out of the box, so not going to remove the bass ring to "see".
 
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Seen a good comparison graph. I also saw the stax comparison mentioned and its very close, just a bit less linear, must be a shame for the devs they hit so close only for people to complain about the bass drop off and them have to "fix" it.
 
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Graphs are interesting and all, but they don't really tell you about resolution, and general performance of the drivers to deliver fast responses. And anything after 5 or 6khz looks like a mountainous mess, because there's too many variables between test rigs, like that 8-10k dip. I've only really been getting into headphones this past couple of months, but the scientist/engineer side of me likes to look at graphs and data. Yeah I'm weird.

Forgot to say, that despite eveything above a certain frequency, the i5 mid range is mad.
 
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Graphs are interesting and all, but they don't really tell you about resolution, and general performance of the drivers to deliver fast responses. And anything after 5 or 6khz looks like a mountainous mess, because there's too many variables between test rigs, like that 8-10k dip. I've only really been getting into headphones this past couple of months, but the scientist/engineer side of me likes to look at graphs and data. Yeah I'm weird.

Forgot to say, that despite eveything above a certain frequency, the i5 mid range is mad.

Yea agreed but its a good indicator to get a general idea of the profile of the sound.
 
I’m currently out on my evening walk, actually took my Waner 2 with Apple dongle…it sounds very good, to most people I don’t think they can tell the difference besides the scale of the wall or sound from a larger source vs in ear I think.
 
Alright so thoughts.

Firstly, this is entirely in bypass mode, because just like with Hifimans, the i5 profiles in the X9 to my ears all sound off, to my ears the bypass mode sounds the most musical and neutral to the headphone's factory signatures, whereas the LCD-5 must be used with PEQ else they sound rubbish.

Size
Yeah they are pretty massive, thicker than the Hifimans, but feels fairly light on the head, although physics is still physics, so on the head moving my head around, conservation of momentum makes them want to flop about. The Hifimans do not want to flop about because of the combo between pad shape, size and thinner side profile keeping the weight closer to the ears.

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And for the lols, size against the LCD-5, look how small they are :D

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Hifiman pads taper to be thinner at the front, so you can see how thick the u5 pads are all round as the Hifimans above are showing the back of the back.


Materials/Construction
I'd compare the material quality to somewhere in-between the Aryas and Ananda Nano. The yolk/headband metal is thin and sharp cut around the edges, similar to the Ananda headband metal, the pivot/rotation system for the cups are damped in the middle by what appears to be a single washer, on rotation the metal from yolk arm and metal on the headband make contact creating a grinding noise which is more audible than the grinding on the Arya headband.

The headband height adjuster is odd on my sample, the right adjuster does not have as much friction as the left, I tightened the screw on it but that made no difference. Doesn't seem to move by itself on the head though, so I can ignore that I guess.

Here's a quick comparison vs the HE1000se headband, not a fair comparison directly as the HE headband rotates on teflon plates so will never grind, I don't have the Arya any more else I'd have done that, but this gives you an ambient sound reference point still:


The damped hinges and pivot also means the cups don't freely move about, some light-persuasion is needed.

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The wood looks and feels nice though, the gloss coat isn't as high quality as that on the LCD-5, but then again there is a galaxy sized price difference between them.

The headband suspension strap is supposedly real suede, but it's way more bouncy in how pliable it is vs the suede strap on the HE1000se. It feels about half as thick though so maybe this is why.

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Some interesting observations were made after taking off the pads to check out the drivers. Compared to reviews, the release version seems to have a bung plugging the rivet hole on the diaphragm (the white dot), review samples had an open hole and one reviewer who blocked his one up said the sound was worse by doing so, so it looks like Fosi made last minute design changes to the tuning and chose to bung the hole. seems you can pull the white bung out of course but I did not try this.

The bass ring is also easy to remove, it's not stuck down, just freely placed in a circle recess:

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I listened with and without the rings and noted a loss of bass extension, it sounds more like a dynamic driver level of bass, HD800S levels I'd say, good but not planar punchy in depth/extension. The upper end does come out a bit more with the rings removed though, it's subtle but noticeable.


Cables
The single ended cable is generic in quality. Feels the same as what Hifiman updated its cable design to. Nothing special, good quality, not very pliable...

The 4.4mm upgrade cable however is awesome, I love the copper coloured ends and how lightweight it is, it's the same length as my Tripowin Granvia 4.4, but is half as thick and easier to manage on the desk:

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The other thing I like about it is how tactile plugging it in is, listen to this clunk :cool:


The XLR adapter is the exact same as the FiiO one I bought off Amazon. Kind of wish it was also copper coloured though, would have looked cooler.


Pads
The spare pads in the box are not the same as the ones pre-installed. I knew my eyes weren't lying to me, the spare ones are not perforated:

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Though having listened to music with the spare ones on, doesn't seem to sound any different, so I guess it's just for comfort/breathability.


Comfort
Been listening for hours now and whilst there is no discomfort, the headband strap does apply noticeable pressure in the middle of the head, it's more noticeable because it's a thin suspension strap unlike on the Hifimans.

Even though the earpad opening is smaller than the Hifiman pads, the inner sidewalls do not touch my ears, yay! There's a lot of comfort in the pads, memory foam so expected.I Don't like the material used on the face contact area though, it's the same material that Hifiman use on its pads, would have much preferred velour. Aftermarket pads may not be so easy on these as fitment is via velcro.

Otherwise, long sessions are no problem it seems, though not as comfortable as a Hifiman (Arya and above egg shapes). The HE1000se/Arya Stealth feel invisible on my head with the velour memory foam pads installed.


Sound
Way back I suspected that this would likely beat the Ananda Nano and perhaps match but not beat the Arya Stealth. I think that's a fair statement to make now in listening to them. The bass is there in extension but the impact of that extension isn't as alive if that makes sense, it feels more laid back rather than fast. The mid range is there but elevated slightly, the upper mids likewise, meanwhile, the top end is not as sparkly or as detailed as the Arya Stealth, it has treble detail, but it's not as high resolution as what the Arya seems to be capable of.

Soundstage and imaging feel about on par, though, but the overall sound signature feels slightly lighter than the Arya Stealth. I'm not going to compare to the HE1000se much as it would be unfair, the HE1000se is noticeably fully across the entire range and especially up top where there is detail that even the LCD-5 cannot produce to my ears, but as said before both offer a different flavour which may suit certain tracks over others so both have their place.

The i5 sounds like what I would expect a £300-£450 planar to sound like I would say. the Arya Stealth is around 3550 currently, I think it offers more comfort, a fuller sound and more detailed bass extension. This probably goes back to the STAX references in the i5's tuning, as the STAX model in particular talked about by reviews doesn't have deep extending bass either.

I think the Kickstarter price we paid (£340~) is very fair for what we have here with the extra pads and cables. If the final RRP ends up being over £500 then I would pick the Arya Stealth, but then you ideally need to replace the pads to memory foam velour, and buy a balanced cable which adds further cost, probably another £70 just there on top. If the i5 comes in at £600, then the Arya Stealth is a no brainer with those extra add-ons.

I will sell the i5 on, but I will be keeping that awesome upgrade cable :D Will chuck the Tripowin cable in with the i5 instead.
 
Fair review but I am so keeping mine! It is so comfy!!!

p.s. I have always wanted a wood accent on my headphones ever since I saw the Denon.

pps, I have been using the cable instead of the tripowin and I don't hate it. I like how it is thinner and lighter.

Edit for the 3rd time....I don't think I can bring myself to get the Arya Stealth, it seems like a sideways step, I would like the Organic but that doesn't seem like it would yield enough improvement for the money. The i5 has the sound, feel, comfort and build quality that i am more than satisfied with, considering the price i paid for it. For people who doesn't know headphones, they would just think they are expensive.

I would be more inclined to try something else like the Meze 109 Pro or even ZMF Bokeh Closed. Different flavours. The Bokeh is probably one where I want the most at the 4 digit price range.
 
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Alright so thoughts.

I will sell the i5 on, but I will be keeping that awesome upgrade cable :D Will chuck the Tripowin cable in with the i5 instead.

You were up burning the midnight oil on that one.

From afar (i.e. through a browser window) those i5's look like they are in the same class next to the HE1000se's. I'm sure the latter are nicer to the touch and are noticeably better build quality, but again the i5's just look nice. At some point I'm going to have to try a planar, although I have my suspicions I'm a fan of dynamic drivers, but I'll never be sure until I try one I suppose. That said I'm still not over my HD 6x0 addiction so it'll have to wait.

Does the AMP make much difference to these?

When the i5's hit retail it is possible they come down in price. I noted when the Fosi K7 launched to retailers in April it was £189.99. It's quickly come down to £169.99. And there is a lot of competition in the headphone space.

I did email Custom Cans about getting more spider stickers, however they didn't reply which I'm not that impressed with.

I own CC an apology. They emailed me this morning and have sent me more stickers for free. So CC are awesome, can vouch for them!

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Guys....if you google "EFEP Over-Ear Full Size Magnetic Flat Atrium Open Back HiFi Headphones"

First link....are these not a copy of the ZMF Caldera at 7x the price?
 
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