I need help this madness with the right choice of PC hardware is driving me crazy

Do I really need a 9800x3d? Probably not. But people always want to drive a Bentley instead of a Mini Cooper because they think the Bentley is better, but the truth is, both will get you where you want to go.
I've been thinking every day for a month now that I really don't need a high-end PC to play games. Whether it's WQHD or 4K, both are great. I played on consoles from the 70s and 80s, and they were just square pixels, but it was incredibly fun.



So it's better to buy a cheaper CPU and invest in a better GPU. It's not a bad idea as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on gaming, so why not?
I tend to play new games, and occasionally old ones. One of the main reasons for building a PC is that I really want to play Star Citizen. Unfortunately, this game isn't available on consoles, but even if it were, I want to get away from consoles. I have a PS5 and an Xbox SX, so in terms of performance, they can't even come close to the PC. The FPS drops and the stuttering alone are driving me crazy. I regret the purchase.


What the hardware market is doing to us is almost bordering on a crime, but we gamers only have ourselves to blame for that. We buy everything from them, no matter the price, at least the majority of the gaming community does.
The RTX 5090 costs €2,230 here for the cheapest version, which is a lot of money, and I don't think this GPU is worth it. I think NVIDIA is building on its DLSS, FG, and ray tracing, which is all well and good, but what they're doing is also beyond normal.
I would be happy with an AMD GPU that really kicks NVIDIA's ass; with the RX 9070XT, they're on the right track.
I hope they release it this year, but I don't think so. If there were more solid news from AMD, I could wait, but I have the feeling they'll drop a bomb this year or next, and it'll hit directly on... I love money, NVIDIA.
 
The0ld6@mer said:
Es ist also besser, eine günstigere CPU zu kaufen und in eine bessere GPU zu investieren. Solange es sich nicht negativ auf das Gaming auswirkt, ist das keine schlechte Idee. Warum also nicht?
Ich spiele gerne neue Spiele, ab und zu auch alte. Einer der Hauptgründe für den PC-Bau ist, dass ich unbedingt Star Citizen spielen möchte. Leider ist dieses Spiel nicht für Konsolen verfügbar, aber selbst wenn, möchte ich von Konsolen wegkommen. Ich habe eine PS5 und eine Xbox SX, die leistungsmäßig nicht an den PC heranreichen. Allein die FPS-Einbrüche und das Ruckler machen mich wahnsinnig. Ich bereue den Kauf.


Was der Hardware-Markt mit uns macht, grenzt fast an ein Verbrechen, aber die Schuld dafür tragen wir Gamer selbst. Wir kaufen ihnen alles ab, egal zu welchem Preis, zumindest der Großteil der Gaming-Community.
Die RTX 5090 kostet hier in der günstigsten Version 2.230 €, was viel Geld ist, und ich denke nicht, dass diese GPU das wert ist. Ich denke, NVIDIA baut auf DLSS, FG und Raytracing, was ja alles schön und gut ist, aber was sie tun, geht auch über das Normale hinaus.
Ich wäre mit einer AMD-GPU zufrieden, die NVIDIA wirklich in den Hintern tritt; mit der RX 9070XT sind sie auf dem richtigen Weg.
Ich hoffe, sie veröffentlichen es dieses Jahr, aber ich glaube nicht. Wenn es von AMD mehr solide Neuigkeiten gäbe, könnte ich warten, aber ich habe das Gefühl, sie werden dieses oder nächstes Jahr eine Bombe platzen lassen, und sie wird direkt einschlagen... Ich liebe Geld, NVIDIA.
Ich bin der Meinung, dass für 4K-Gaming mit über 120 Hz und angemessenen Einstellungen, unabhängig vom Titel, ein 9800X3D mit 5090-GPU die beste Wahl ist, wenn man ein Budget hat und PCs länger als üblich nutzt. Wenn ich bereit bin, so viel Geld auszugeben, würde ich einfach ein solches Flaggschiff-System anstreben, da die Hardware dort wahrscheinlich mehr leistet. Ich habe den 9800X3D erst dann wirklich ausfahren sehen, wenn er mit einem 5090 bei AAA-Titeln lief.
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I only use PC and Xbox Series X myself for gaming, these days I only play one title on the Xbox so that was clearly a waste of money, but it shares my gaming monitor in my little corner of the house and gets played once a week.

I can't speak for everyone, but at 54 I felt a little wrong and immature in thinking I would need a high end gaming PC, so on my own personal level I decided to try a cheap CPU, I would have probably been better with a 9700x but it was full retail at the time and I have two lads who always like being handed my old parts, I also have a habit of running a second PC off discarded hardware.
I got my 7600x CPU after advice on this forum for £145 and it was someone on this forum who mentioned it was on sale, so I just thought give it a go. If I find it isnt peforming for me then I will upgrade.
I did overspend on my motherboard as I personally see that as the heart of a system, it's what will see CPU and GPU upgrades, I run a number of drives so spent a little more than I needed on the motherboard due to some of the features I wanted, I plan to get USB 4 external storage, and use three or four NVMe drives, wanted WiFi and digital out, a few on the forum said I was silly buying an X870e and who knows, they could be right, I may never fully utilise the motherboard, if I didnt want four unshared NVMe slots I would have went with the B850 Tomahawk or Aoris.

Still not chosen my own graphics card, though I do want to wait for the new Nvidia 24gb cards, I do feel those will be higher priced, I do hope to see the 9070xt 16gb come dow a little, and to be honest as the 90760xt cannot run dual HDMI I will probably go for whatever 9070xt 16gb is the best value with 8 pin PCIe cables for power, as much as I like some other cards, I don't like the 12v cable Nvidia uses. I still may just buy a 9070xt if I see it at a good price. I think it's still a great card and will be relevant for a couple of years.

My youngest lad is thinking of saving for the regular 9070 with a 9700x for his next gaming PC mainly 1440p is his wish, he also does music at college so will be building with that in mind too. But he does think he wants the NZXT H7 Flow for his next case. He has a decent PSU and BeQuiet AIO to move into that build.

Like everything in life costs are always increasing and seemingly poor value, but it is always moving and always with price increases, there is always going to be something next year or in 6 months and if you wait you simply miss out now. If you need a new PC now at least by building with an AM5 platform you have a good few years where you can upgrade upon that.
When new CPU's and GPU's are out next year, we will at least have had a year enjoying what is currently out. If you buy a 24gb card in 6 months you may find that four months later there is news of a better card comming out, so why wait.

There is a lot of great mid priced components out there, currently I think it's hard to go wrong with much of the mid priced components.
 
The0ld6@mer said:
I've been thinking every day for a month now that I really don't need a high-end PC to play games. Whether it's WQHD or 4K, both are great. I played on consoles from the 70s and 80s, and they were just square pixels, but it was incredibly fun.
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Depending on the kind of games you play and your expectations, you're right, you don't.

Just a 9060 XT 16GB would push through most games at 4K and almost every game comfortably at 1440p.

It won't last you so long though, in 5 years time that card will start to struggle in newer games more than a 9070 XT.

Everyone has different demands, some people are fine with playable @ 60 fps, some want high refresh (e.g. 144+). Some want to play with ultra high details and ray tracing, other are happy to just play on medium.
 
sastusbulbas said:
I only use PC and Xbox Series X myself for gaming, these days I only play one title on the Xbox so that was clearly a waste of money, but it shares my gaming monitor in my little corner of the house and gets played once a week.

I can't speak for everyone, but at 54 I felt a little wrong and immature in thinking I would need a high end gaming PC, so on my own personal level I decided to try a cheap CPU, I would have probably been better with a 9700x but it was full retail at the time and I have two lads who always like being handed my old parts, I also have a habit of running a second PC off discarded hardware.
I got my 7600x CPU after advice on this forum for £145 and it was someone on this forum who mentioned it was on sale, so I just thought give it a go. If I find it isnt peforming for me then I will upgrade.
I did overspend on my motherboard as I personally see that as the heart of a system, it's what will see CPU and GPU upgrades, I run a number of drives so spent a little more than I needed on the motherboard due to some of the features I wanted, I plan to get USB 4 external storage, and use three or four NVMe drives, wanted WiFi and digital out, a few on the forum said I was silly buying an X870e and who knows, they could be right, I may never fully utilise the motherboard, if I didnt want four unshared NVMe slots I would have went with the B850 Tomahawk or Aoris.

Still not chosen my own graphics card, though I do want to wait for the new Nvidia 24gb cards, I do feel those will be higher priced, I do hope to see the 9070xt 16gb come dow a little, and to be honest as the 90760xt cannot run dual HDMI I will probably go for whatever 9070xt 16gb is the best value with 8 pin PCIe cables for power, as much as I like some other cards, I don't like the 12v cable Nvidia uses. I still may just buy a 9070xt if I see it at a good price. I think it's still a great card and will be relevant for a couple of years.

My youngest lad is thinking of saving for the regular 9070 with a 9700x for his next gaming PC mainly 1440p is his wish, he also does music at college so will be building with that in mind too. But he does think he wants the NZXT H7 Flow for his next case. He has a decent PSU and BeQuiet AIO to move into that build.

Like everything in life costs are always increasing and seemingly poor value, but it is always moving and always with price increases, there is always going to be something next year or in 6 months and if you wait you simply miss out now. If you need a new PC now at least by building with an AM5 platform you have a good few years where you can upgrade upon that.
When new CPU's and GPU's are out next year, we will at least have had a year enjoying what is currently out. If you buy a 24gb card in 6 months you may find that four months later there is news of a better card comming out, so why wait.

There is a lot of great mid priced components out there, currently I think it's hard to go wrong with much of the mid priced components.
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The Xbox isn't bad in itself, but consoles limit you. The PC offers more upgrade options, and you don't have to wait years for a new console. For me, the PC is definitely freedom.
I thought the same thing: what do you, a fifty-year-old, want with a €3,000 PC? I already felt bad about buying consoles.
I'm also considering getting an expensive motherboard. As you aptly said, it seems wrong to equip the heart of the computer with a cheap motherboard, but if I get an expensive motherboard, then I'll have to save money elsewhere. I think I'll wait until the end of the year. I actually wanted to buy and assemble it in October, but we'll see what AMD and NVIDIA, and maybe even Intel, come out with this year.
If nothing special comes along, I'll go for the 9700x with the rx9070xt/rtx5070ti combo; I just have to decide on one of the GPUs.
The PC definitely surpasses the graphics and performance of both consoles, so I think very good WQHD gaming is much better than poor 4K gaming.
I hardly play on my consoles anymore; all the FPS drops, distortion, and stuttering are just horrible.
That's true, something new comes out every year. If you always waited for the latest, you'd never own a PC.
I don't know what the technology leaps will be in the next 2-3 years, AM6 is supposed to be in the starting blocks and INTEL also wants to bring out something big, I would be happy about a graphics card from INTEL that can compete with AMD and NVIDIA and also when there are more GPUs on the market the prices will also fall, at the moment NVIDIA actually has the monopoly and that's not good, AMD is hot on their heels, but they have to improve their RDNA4 so that it can compete with NVIDIA, that would be great.
 
The0ld6@mer said:
Great, where did you live in Germany?
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Berlin ( west), Berlin (east), then west Berlin in the Turkish district,
Elgersberg (east), by the black forest (next to where martin luther translated the bible), and Weimar
I also spent some time on the german/switzerland border (magical)!
I was working for my dad, who was working in Germany doing building work, doing the" Auf Wiedersehen, Pet" as the english would say (a TV show about english builders working in germany)
I learnt to tap the bar table to say hello, and tap it again to say goodbye, and marvelled at the simple system of marking a beer mat for every beer you have, then paying for the whole bar mat worth of beer in one go before 'tap, tap' leaving
I have a friend building a house with his wife on the netherlands/german border now, who I really wish I could visit
 
Threepwood said:
Berlin ( west), Berlin (east), then west Berlin in the Turkish district,
Elgersberg (east), by the black forest (next to where martin luther translated the bible), and Weimar
I also spent some time on the german/switzerland border (magical)!
I was working for my dad, who was working in Germany doing building work, doing the" Auf Wiedersehen, Pet" as the english would say (a TV show about english builders working in germany)
I learnt to tap the bar table to say hello, and tap it again to say goodbye, and marvelled at the simple system of marking a beer mat for every beer you have, then paying for the whole bar mat worth of beer in one go before 'tap, tap' leaving
I have a friend building a house with his wife on the netherlands/german border now, who I really wish I could visit
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That sounds like a really good time :) Fair play mate!
 
Threepwood said:
Berlin (West), Berlin (Ost), dann West-Berlin im türkischen Bezirk,
Elgersberg (Osten), am Schwarzwald (neben dem Ort, an dem Martin Luther die Bibel übersetzte) und Weimar
Ich habe auch einige Zeit an der deutsch-schweizerischen Grenze verbracht (magisch)!
Ich habe für meinen Vater gearbeitet, der in Deutschland auf dem Bau tätig war und „Auf Wiedersehen, Pet“ gemacht hat, wie die Engländer sagen würden (eine Fernsehsendung über englische Bauarbeiter, die in Deutschland arbeiten).
Ich lernte, auf den Bartisch zu klopfen, um Hallo zu sagen, und noch einmal, um Auf Wiedersehen zu sagen, und staunte über das einfache System, für jedes getrunkene Bier einen Bierdeckel zu markieren, dann den gesamten Bierdeckel auf einmal zu bezahlen und dann mit einem „Zapf, zack“ zu gehen.
Ich habe einen Freund, der gerade mit seiner Frau an der niederländisch-deutschen Grenze ein Haus baut, und ich wünschte, ich könnte ihn besuchen.
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I hope you enjoyed the Turkish food.
I haven't been to Berlin or Switzerland myself, but they're supposed to be beautiful, Switzerland, I mean :)
I live near the Dutch border, 50 km from Venlo. The Netherlands is beautiful, but it seems artificial, but very tidy, I like it.
The German beer and pub culture is sacred to the Germans. It's their true church, where they worship the god of hops and malt, as Germans would say. The Königs Pilsener brewery has been in my hometown since 1858.
About 25 years ago, we still had British soldiers in our city, but it wasn't a large base; you'd occasionally see them driving around in military vehicles.
 
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Threepwood said:
best kebabs ever! they use real local turkish bread which is delicious, not crappy pita bread like over here
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The doner kebab tastes good in Germany. We used to have a doner kebab shop ourselves, but it's not comparable to the doner kebab in Turkey. The bread is good, but not everyone can make it well because many people buy it from the same bakery. In the past, everything was made by hand, but today everything comes from factories, and almost everything tastes the same.
I saw on YouTube how doner kebabs are sold in England. It's kind of a cross between the Arabic and Greek versions of the doner kebab, and it looks strange.
 
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