*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Firegod]

Steam survey data is very random I have been asked three times in 22 years and two of them are in the last couple

it also tends to pick a random location say a province in Korea and ask most of the users when it does one and is really not a true representation of anything

yeah ive only ever been asked to do the survey once
and comically it was when i was using a 3060 for a short period of time so was the least representative moment as far as getting an idea of what gpu id usually have been using over that time lol was pretty funny id just put the thing in temporarily waiting to get the 9070xt
never got asked in the 4+ years of using hte quadro i had before nor the several months of the 9070xt i just found the timing really really funny

That’s a good point. The last steam survey I did my 9700XT was not even recognised.

Same here, since 2004 I've seen it appear maybe 4 or 5 times, yet people act like its the be all end all that shall not be questioned when it comes to who's using what type of hardware. Utter bs.

Yeah, last time I had one was back around 2020/lockdown era when I was running an 8700k and 2070 - haven't had one since and I've changed hardware plenty since then.

As far as the steam data goes, I'm guessing it still thinks I'm using a 3600 and a vega 56?

I used to get the steam survey loads initially, but not had one in ages. Think the last time I was still using a GTX570, so it missed my RX580 and my 3060Ti.

Let's just hope for our sakes @AthlonXP1800 hasn't seen these messages. Their tiny head might explode!

 

[muon]

It really is impressive how people will deny reality.

AMD gaming revenue up a bit versus last year. +12% against a year that didn't have a new GPU drop.

But according to some people in this thread RDNA4 is more popular than Blackwell and all data is a lie.

Unless they were killing it last year, they aren't this year.

Ryzen has done well though, Client is up loads.

 

[muon]

In fact here is the number from when RDNA3 dropped.

 

[Case1987]

I haven't had a Steam survey once in the nearly 4 years I have had a PC, and I have had a few different GPU's

 

[Calin Banc]

I haven't had a Steam survey once in the nearly 4 years I have had a PC, and I have had a few different GPU's

There are plenty of opinion / election polls out there and yet I was asked only a few times during my life time. It doesn't mean they don't work. That's the power of statistics.

 

[loftie]

There are plenty of opinion / election polls out there and yet I was asked only a few times during my life time. It doesn't mean they don't work. That's the power of statistics.

As far as I'm aware, there's no way of knowing if the Steam survey is an accurate reflection or not. To my knowledge they don't publicise their surveying methods so they could be targeting only specific creteria in line with what they want to do or know about, and not what we assume is them trying to accurately represent global PC hardware.

That said, it's still probably the best thing we have available to us.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I am just going to point out Singapore was 28% of Nvidia's global revenue earlier in the year:

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/deepseek-gpu-smuggling-probe-shows-nvidias-singapore-gpu-sales-are-28-percent-of-its-revenue-but-only-1-percent-are-delivered-to-the-country-report]

Also,something does not compute in their financials. On one hand gaming dGPU revenues look good,yet it's obvious in many markets the prices of the lower end RTX5000 series desktop dGPUs are falling. If sales are fine you wouldn't be cutting prices within a few months for desktop cards.

The biggest problem with the financial firm's results you are quoting is that it includes GPUs in laptops, and AMD has a small market and it includes AI/data centre, which AMD is small in as well. It's unreliable for comparing against steam simply because while Nvidia looks strong, we know 90% of its GPus sold are not desktop

Nvidia has over 90% of the laptop market and IIRC - over half of dGPU sales are in laptops. The laptop RTX4060 is the second most popular dGPU after the RTX3060 on Steam. A lot of the desktop cards will be shipped in prebuilt systems,where Nvidia is still more common.

Steam data is updated monthly but is collected over a 17 month aggregate/window.

However looking at Feb 2025 to June 2025 from WBM(using the last data point of each month), July is todays data direct from Steam:

PRE RDNA 4
February 2025 Nv 83.7% AMD 11.49%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

RDNA 4 launched 4th March:

March 2025 Nv 75.05% AMD 16.87%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

April 2025 Nv 74.39% AMD 17.51%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

May 2025 Nv 74.18% AMD 17.62%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

June 2025 Nv 74.07% AMD 17.68%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

July 2025 Nv 73.94% AMD 17.83%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

The above comments follows into this. So Steam shows a measurable uptick in AMD share in gaming PCs. But AMD has very little share in laptops,Nvidia still rules in prebuilt desktops and I doubt there is that much demand for AMD desktop dGPUs for AI,especially as they don't have an RTX5090 equivalent.

So,what we are seeing is AMD gaining a significant sales share increase in DIY sales of dedicated dGPUs for desktops. This matches comments about AMD card sales being better in many stores.

But since Nvidia rules in laptops,prebuilt systems and have more likelihood of gaming shipments being hijacked for AI,they will make more money. That is where most of the money will be made and was why ATI consistently had 35% to 45% sales share. AMD seems to be unable to get sufficient sales into prebuilts.

But it also explains,why all the DIY stores are seeing much bigger demand for AMD cards- more enthusiasts and people self-building their own PCs have decided to try the newer AMD cards this year.

This would then into why stores are dropping Nvidia cards below RRP,whilst AMD cards are still lucky to hit RRP or a bit below.

This also tracks into AMD CPU sales. Intel still outselves AMD in prebuilt laptops and desktops overall:

AMD's desktop PC market share hits a new high as server gains slow down — Intel now only outsells AMD 2:1, down from 9:1 a few years ago

And revenue shares continue to set records.

www.tomshardware.com

But looking at the sales charts from DIY stores,AMD has significantly more share.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looks like in the BF6 Beta AMD has less driver overhead on slower CPUs:

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Been that way in every game for years.

 

[humbug]

Even without a CPU overhead the 5080 is only 12% faster, this is a £590 GPU vs a £950 GPU.

I think the 9070 XT is going to age better.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It wasn't really confirmed for Blackwell.

 

[Grim5]

The GPU on the left doubles as a cheese grater

 

[cyclonus10]

Even without a CPU overhead the 5080 is only 12% faster, this is a £590 GPU vs a £950 GPU.

I think the 9070 XT is going to age better.

Nvidia tax/Apple tax is very real but it's what Nvidia aimed for...... and got. Literally paying for the name.