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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Glanza said:
Quite the price drop

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £479.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)​
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Its still overpriced, Its barely any faster than a 265K that's £210 cheaper!

To me the the 265K should have never existed there should only be 285K at 265K pricing and call it a day.

I am actually really concerned for Intel at this point, I mean they REALLY need to go back to the drawing board and start over and give us something with meaningful performance...and stop skimping on the Cache amounts.

Personally they should have just skipped the whole arrow lake refresh and moved on...i cannot see them selling well.
 
RSR said:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Blog...-PC-Optimization-Partnership-for/post/1706776 :eek:

"Intel and EA announced their full PC partnership for Battlefield 6 – the latest entry in the long running Battlefield series, launching in October 2025. The partnership includes significant collaboration between Intel and EA to optimize Battlefield 6 for Intel® Core™, Intel Core Ultra, and Intel Arc-powered PCs and handhelds, including support for Intel technologies such as XeSS 2."
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All those years when the MBAs took over Intel and it kept making 4 core mainstream CPUs, with very little innovation, year after year in the end will kill them. It was clear when the M1 came out that Intel's fabs are left far behind TSMC. Nowadays Intel has nothing as an alternative to Zen 4 and 5 - from Ryzen 5 7500F (for 92 quid) to 9800X3D and 192 core Epycs, AMD has better options at every price point, for any customer.

Lunar Lake mobile CPUs are quite good, but for some reason very limited number of models and very expensive.
 
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SkyTerran said:
All those years when the MBAs took over Intel and it kept making 4 core mainstream CPUs, with very little innovation, year after year in the end will kill them. It was clear when the M1 came out that Intel's fabs are left far behind TSMC. Nowadays Intel has nothing as an alternative to Zen 4 and 5 - from Ryzen 5 7500F (for 92 quid) to 9800X3D and 192 core Epycs, AMD has better options at every price point, for any customer.

Lunar Lake mobile CPUs are quite good, but for some reason very limited number of models and very expensive.
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Intel should be back in the game once they can release a CPU with a huge LLC, which is rumoured to feature on Nova Lake. Problem is that it releases late next year, meaning AMD have probably another year of no competition.
 
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About 155 FPS on average in city maps for the 14900K, even my 5 year old 5800X can average 120 FPS in those maps, its much closer to the 14900K than it is to the 9800X3D.

Isn't the 285K even slower?

Intel CPU's ageing like milk.
 
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humbug said:
About 155 FPS on average in city maps for the 14900K, even my 5 year old 5800X can average 120 FPS in those maps, its much closer to the 14900K than it is to the 9800X3D.

Isn't the 285K even slower?

Intel CPU's ageing like milk.
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285K fine for 1080P Low, while not at the frame rate of the 9800X3D. It's quite a bit higher than your 5800X

Cario Map with a similar run to the box video beforehand.

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However, I don't natively play at 1080P, as I have a 4K screen, which I could switch to 1080P at 480Hz if I wish. I've been flipping between both systems, and I seem to be getting a consistent 200-240 fps between them @ 4K High / Med settings

That's running an out the box install, so no User.cfg which is why the CPU is getting battered. If you edit that, that power also drops off quiet a bit.
 
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Still a beta so lots could change but people doing more extensive tests of BF6 have found that while the X3D chips do well in upto moderately busy games when you get to the busier more open battles with more going on the 14900K and 14700K perform more consistently with much better lows, likewise the AL CPUs tend to struggle then.

The AL CPUs drop way behind RL when things get busy and the X3D cache doesn't provide as much benefit when things get chaotic and likely less predictable cache wise.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Intel should be back in the game once they can release a CPU with a huge LLC, which is rumoured to feature on Nova Lake. Problem is that it releases late next year, meaning AMD have probably another year of no competition.
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Who is going to make that CPU? Intel fabs are unlikely to catch up with TSMC. If made by TSMC - AMD will always get a better price than Intel.

Also the big cache benefits AMD CPUs, as they don't have a good memory controller. Intel's CPUs have less gains from a huge LLC.
 
Rroff said:
Still a beta so lots could change but people doing more extensive tests of BF6 have found that while the X3D chips do well in upto moderately busy games when you get to the busier more open battles with more going on the 14900K and 14700K perform more consistently with much better lows, likewise the AL CPUs tend to struggle then.

The AL CPUs drop way behind RL when things get busy and the X3D cache doesn't provide as much benefit when things get chaotic and likely less predictable cache wise.
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Yes, I agree about the Beta, and a lot of stuff can change.

If the new features like 200S Boost and APO are enabled, it can go a long way to aid the performance over a completely "out of the box" setup. There isn't an APO Profile for BF6 yet, only BF1, last time I looked. I still have my 14900KS, but that sits on the side most of the time now, and I didn't bother running that.

You can increase AL performance quite a bit by taking the time to set up the NGU, D2D, Cache, and RAM, which I have previously covered in this thread, but it's not a silver bullet if all you want to do is game at 1080P
 
RSR said:
Yes, I agree about the Beta, and a lot of stuff can change.

If the new features like 200S Boost and APO are enabled, it can go a long way to aid the performance over a completely "out of the box" setup. There isn't an APO Profile for BF6 yet, only BF1, last time I looked. I still have my 14900KS, but that sits on the side most of the time now, and I didn't bother running that.

You can increase AL performance quite a bit by taking the time to set up the NGU, D2D, Cache, and RAM, which I have previously covered in this thread, but it's not a silver bullet if all you want to do is game at 1080P
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APO can make a huge difference for AL and RL but Intel don't put much effort into supporting it sadly. AL can require it even more than RL with the thread management required to get the best out of the architecture.
 
Rroff said:
Still a beta so lots could change but people doing more extensive tests of BF6 have found that while the X3D chips do well in upto moderately busy games when you get to the busier more open battles with more going on the 14900K and 14700K perform more consistently with much better lows, likewise the AL CPUs tend to struggle then.

The AL CPUs drop way behind RL when things get busy and the X3D cache doesn't provide as much benefit when things get chaotic and likely less predictable cache wise.
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I've still got my 265k build (was using the 9800X3D for the BF6 beta weekend) but never got round to using it for BF6, maybe that should have been something I actually went and tried.

I think I'll keep hold of it until the full release to see how both perform. I did definitely notice the 9800X3D felt much more like it had drops than I've experienced on other games - even though my FPS still looked like it was high (and reviewing the frame chart after there are relatively usual dips but nothing that showed in data that 'feeling').
 
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