I've certainly never had a cold before which caused months of lost sense of smell, beau's lines on my nails and also infected my digestive system that is for sure. And was actually quite close to being a medical emergency if not potential to be fatal because it messed with my kidney functions causing me to become dehydrated - fortunately that aspect recovered before it became an emergency but it was likely only hours in it.
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The ED has been weirdly calm over the past three days, but we did have quite a number of patients testing positive for Covid.
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He followed the money and embraced the loons from the US. He was good in the early days but then made his content pretty much click bait. He's been called out by many actual doctors numerous times. That he used "Dr" on his YT channel when he has a phd in digital teaching never sat well with me when discussing medical issues.
I guess it is just more proof you can't trust anything online.
Significant Increase in Excess Deaths after Repeated COVID-19 Vaccination in Japan - PubMed
Although Japan recorded the world's highest rate of COVID-19 messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccination doses per capita, COVID-19 cases and deaths exploded after the emergence of the Omicron variant, followed by a significant increase in excess deaths in 2022 and 2023. Although several...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
If you don't like the messenger *shrug*
Especially not if it's written by IGN or The Daily Mail
Did you read the article? What part of the article did you want to discuss?Significant Increase in Excess Deaths after Repeated COVID-19 Vaccination in Japan - PubMed
Although Japan recorded the world's highest rate of COVID-19 messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccination doses per capita, COVID-19 cases and deaths exploded after the emergence of the Omicron variant, followed by a significant increase in excess deaths in 2022 and 2023. Although several...
If you don't like the messenger *shrug*
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I decided to read it, it starts off by saying
and then goes on to say
So in other words they have no idea
Significant Increase in Excess Deaths after Repeated COVID-19 Vaccination in Japan
and then goes on to say
Abstract
Although Japan recorded the world's highest rate of COVID-19 messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccination doses per capita, COVID-19 cases and deaths exploded after the emergence of the Omicron variant, followed by a significant increase in excess deaths in 2022 and 2023. Although several hypotheses have been proposed to explain these phenomena, the truth remains to be established because sufficient studies and data disclosures have not been conducted to adequately investigate the possible contribution of mRNA vaccines. The causes of the excess deaths from not only COVID-19 but also other factors after repeated mRNA vaccinations must be elucidated, given this could provide valuable information to help combat future infectious disease outbreaks.So in other words they have no idea
I decided to read it, it starts off by saying
Significant Increase in Excess Deaths after Repeated COVID-19 Vaccination in Japan
and then goes on to say
Abstract
Although Japan recorded the world's highest rate of COVID-19 messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccination doses per capita, COVID-19 cases and deaths exploded after the emergence of the Omicron variant, followed by a significant increase in excess deaths in 2022 and 2023. Although several hypotheses have been proposed to explain these phenomena, the truth remains to be established because sufficient studies and data disclosures have not been conducted to adequately investigate the possible contribution of mRNA vaccines. The causes of the excess deaths from not only COVID-19 but also other factors after repeated mRNA vaccinations must be elucidated, given this could provide valuable information to help combat future infectious disease outbreaks.
So in other words they have no idea
Exactly, one of the most useless articles i have ever read.
Ironically, one of the hypothesis is that although Japan had high average vacation rates it was also very variable with many people not vaccinated at all, and thus the excess deaths may simply be because many people were not vaccinated.
The ONS were publishing death data for long enough with vaccine status and making claims about vaccine safety off the back of that. But they ended up getting a slapped wrist by the UK Statistics Authority following complaints of inappropriate data usage by various health staticians that even culminated in it coming out they were mis-classifying people dying within the first 21days of vaccination I think it was as being unvaccinated.
They repeatedly stalled on a full corrected dataset, it now exists but the ONS are now oddly claiming it’s commercially sensitive to make available publicly. Prof Norman Fenton was one of the staticians that exposed it and has talked about it extensively in the past. He’s actually quite interesting to follow generally as he was also quite early in putting his head above the parapet on the misuse of stats in the killer nurse case.
the data is available here
Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics
Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) in England by vaccination status, broken down by age group.
www.ons.gov.uk
ehh, vaccines take up to 3 weeks to become effective
Vaccines
Vaccines trick the body into building immunity against infectious diseases without causing the actual disease.
www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au
So it would be a correct procedure to count those vaccines within 21 days as unvaccinated.
Except you can download the data set.
The biggest issue is people misunderstanding the data. For starters, the boosters were only given to the most vulnerable, and there are relatively few vulnerable that didn't take the boosters, so looking at mortality rates is very nuanced and easy to misinterpret.
For example, you already made a critical misunderstanding in regards to why people vaccinated within 3 weeks are not considered to have the full benefits of the vaccine
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Of course if someone's agenda is that "vaccines are bad" it suits them to claim that anyone dying after receiving the vaccine should count as a vaccinated death, even if it was COVID that killed them before the vaccine had time to become fully effective.
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Some would argue that the statistics for Covid deaths were skewed by putting "Died within 28 days of a positive test"
I'm not a CT'er but I always thought that statistic was strange so you could get run over and because you had Covid it was part of the statistics.
HOWEVER, and a big HOWEVER, it may be present on a Death Certificate but wouldn't be the main Cause of Death as some people were wrongfully pointing out.
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Ultimately politics and certain agendas are always going to create confusion.
I mainly believe people do things for the right reasons but don't always do the right thing for the right reasons.
The majority of people complied with the rules despite most of them finding them OTT but it's what you do as a sense of community.
I mainly believe people do things for the right reasons but don't always do the right thing for the right reasons.
The majority of people complied with the rules despite most of them finding them OTT but it's what you do as a sense of community.
That is deaths involving covid19, not deaths. it's two separate things.the data is available here
Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics
Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) in England by vaccination status, broken down by age group.www.ons.gov.uk
ehh, vaccines take up to 3 weeks to become effective
Vaccines
Vaccines trick the body into building immunity against infectious diseases without causing the actual disease.
So it would be a correct procedure to count those vaccines within 21 days as unvaccinated.
Except you can download the data set.
The biggest issue is people misunderstanding the data. For starters, the boosters were only given to the most vulnerable, and there are relatively few vulnerable that didn't take the boosters, so looking at mortality rates is very nuanced and easy to misinterpret.
For example, you already made a critical misunderstanding in regards to why people vaccinated within 3 weeks are not considered to have the full benefits of the vaccine
It was also mid 2023 that the UKSA upheld complaints about the ONS' datahandling around vaccine status and misreporting.
It wasn't until May 2024 that the ONS finally admitted that they were misclassifying recently vaccinated people as unvaccinated which skewed death numbers in early 2021.
We were right! The UK ONS now admit that deaths in the vaccinated were categorised as unvaccinated in 2021
The ONS denied it then but admit it now.
wherearethenumbers.substack.com
More recently, there has been some papers released that again that make it clear there is a private data set that the ONS hold.
Lancet paper on "dangers of undervaccination" shows how desperate they are getting
The paper is a joke and should never have been published
wherearethenumbers.substack.com
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Well I have had them before but only during the epidemic phase I'm not old enough to be offered it as an over 65 or whatever teh cutoff is but it seems odd they contact me over flu jabs but not covid (incidently I did get a flu jab last year but couldn't get a covid and I caught it pretty bad) I'd happily pay if I could find anywhere but it seems they're elusive with covid jabs for some reason
edit: just checked - Well pharmacy (the one thats attached to the local surgery) you can book a flu jab no problem (for a fee) but covid there is one site in the entire country - north lincs nearly 200 miles away. Its ridiculous
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Thanks for the info. It does seem a bit random as you say. The first time my GP clinic got in touch with me other than booking regular checks with kids when they were babies was during COVID for the jabs. Other than that I've never been proactively contacted by my GP so was curious whether it was proactive work from the GP or individuals. I mean even though I don't really have a health record I'm mid 40s and would have thought I'd be contacted by them for at least a check up.
I personally get private blood tests and health checks every 6 months for my own interest and health management, whilst I feel the NHS should be proactive I also understand it's on its knees at the moment so quite happy to do it myself.
I guess that's why there's such a contrast across the UK of both physical and mental health.
Found out one of the staff who was leaving a couple of weeks back had COVID on their last day, with the timeline I doubt I got it from them but other staff must have got it and I then caught it from them :s
Back of my throat is still a bit meh and fatigue - hate the way unlike a cold I don't just bounce back in 1-2 days once the symptoms subside but it kind of lingers dragging you down for weeks or months until you are truly 100% again.
Back of my throat is still a bit meh and fatigue - hate the way unlike a cold I don't just bounce back in 1-2 days once the symptoms subside but it kind of lingers dragging you down for weeks or months until you are truly 100% again.
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Not Covid Related but if anyone wants to sign up to see if they have T-cell’s against H5N1 bird flu, my wife and I did the T-cell trial test during the height of covid for Covid 19 T-cells which allowed us to relax a little(especially with her being immunocompromised)
It came back that both my wife and I have T-Cells against H5N1
www.immuno-t.co.uk
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It came back that both my wife and I have T-Cells against H5N1
Immuno-T | Our Research
www.immuno-t.co.uk
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