Today's mass shooting in the US

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radderfire said:
From the Guardian article:

"There have been more than 140 shootings reported in elementary and secondary schools in 2025 thus far, according to the K-12 School Shooting Database."

It's a grave failing of democracy that nothing is getting done about this.
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A large number of these are due to things like parents leaving unsecured firearms around, etc. (something the US does seem to slowly be coming around to prosecuting but it doesn't have enough momentum to have much impact on prevention in the first place).

While there is a larger percentage of the US population who are for stricter gun controls than those who oppose it, there isn't the support there for the kind of changes required to make a meaningful difference so in that respect it isn't a failing of democracy - there are a lot of people who own guns in the US for home defence and wildlife reasons and so on.
 
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Quartz said:
You'd need to deal with the many reasons everyone in the USA needs a gun, like the police not actually being there to protect you, the police possibly taking a very long time to respond (America is big), wildlife (handguns are good for killing snakes), racism, crime (burglary is about 1/3 higher over there), and so on.
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The solution is without question less guns.

There needs to be a phased withdrawl of guns from being on sale to the public.

Some people can keep guns, but the vetting needs to be much stricter and the process needs to be much more demanding. It shouldn't just be walking in to a shop.

You can't fully remove guns, look what happened in South Africa.

However, you can greatly restrict them, and do a better of job of keeping them only in the hands of responsible citizens and away from the criminals and those with mental problems.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Americans, as a whole, don’t care. They’d rather have guns. It’s part of their identity.
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Responsible and reliable citizens should be able to continue to have them, but they need to become much rarer. It needs to be much harder to own a gun. No guns being sold on the High Street. Way more steps to own one.
 
Rroff said:
While there is a larger percentage of the US population who are for stricter gun controls than those who oppose it, there isn't the support there for the kind of changes required to make a meaningful difference so in that respect it isn't a failing of democracy - there are a lot of people who own guns in the US for home defence and wildlife reasons and so on.
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It just needs to be a lot harder to own a gun, and this in turn means there will be fewer sales. E.g. you need to have more training, you have to be older, you're only allowed certain types of weapon and fewer weapons (so less easy to do a mass shooting) etc etc.

It has to go from a status of easy availability of guns, to scarcity of guns. It has to be a great reduction in number of guns, and some highly qualified people should be allowed to keep them.

It's really tragic seeing so many kids shot at school and America needs to try a lot harder to improve the situation.
 
radderfire said:
It's really tragic seeing so many kids shot at school and America needs to try a lot harder to improve the situation.
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The other problem is at its root it largely isn't a firearms problem - in another hypothetical country with similar levels of firearms proliferation chances are these incidents would happen far less frequently and banning guns will likely just see a rise in similar incidents carried out by other means.
 
Said it countless times over the years here you have to make a start to make it better for generations to come, but we are still here after Sandy Hook all them years ago....

Until Americans stand up to it by protesting on mass to try and get some political pressure nothing will happen, of course your get all the people saying about the access to illegal guns.

Problem is there no appetite for doing so its like guns are part of the culture and people are just happy for it to continue each school shooting gets brushed under the carpet.

Its not just school shootings its domestic, people going crazy and shooting police officers? I mean who wants to stop anyone as police officer over there when you could be shot dead in an instant, all these things add up obviously school shootings make the big news but there lots of other small incidents. Another example is the guy that went crazy and shot people in a hospital or your annoyed with your boss so you just go and shoot him / her?? how is this all acceptable and allowed to keep happening.
 
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As the number of guns comes down in an area, then it should become harder to qualify for gun ownership in that area. Gun crime statistics should be used to assess whether someone really needs a gun, i.e. are you in a high gun crime area.

Sentencing for criminal/illegal gun ownership needs go higher if it can.

Gun shops should be closed. If you are a qualifying citizen, you're getting your gun from the government.
 
bingham67 said:
Said it countless times over the years here you have to make a start to make it better for generations to come, but we are still here after Sandy Hook all them years ago....

Until Americans stand up to it by protesting on mass to try and get some political pressure nothing will happen, of course your get all the people saying about the access to illegal guns.

Problem is there no appetite for doing so its like guns are part of the culture and people are just happy for it to continue each school shooting gets brushed under the carpet.

Its not just school shootings its domestic, people going crazy and shooting police officers? I mean who wants to stop anyone as police officer over there when you could be shot dead in an instant, all these things add up obviously school shootings make the big news but there lots of other small incidents. Another example is the guy that went crazy and shot people in a hospital or your annoyed with your boss so you just go and shoot him / her?? how is this all acceptable and allowed to keep happening.
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It's almost like a self fulfilling prophecy... police brutality aside, as a Cop doing a traffic stop you have to get your gun out, as the occupants might well be high on meth or whatever and packing serious heat.
 
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adidan said:
This is however a specific deadly problem linked to a specific amendment.
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And many of the problems with the American political system stem from the First Amendment... but that's for another thread.

More straightforwardly, if you insist on 1791 as a cut-off date you're going to deny women and many men the vote.
 
radderfire said:
They'll be far less lethal.
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Maybe maybe not, we didn't have a big problem in this country before the ban and there have still been incidents with similar deaths and injuries using other means in the rare times they happen, the problem in the US runs much deeper than just guns.
 
Quartz said:
And many of the problems with the American political system stem from the First Amendment... but that's for another thread.

More straightforwardly, if you insist on 1791 as a cut-off date you're going to deny women and many men the vote.
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I can't see where it mentions anything to do with those things
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
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Considering we talking about an amendment concerning lethal mass shootings and not lethal mass voting I don't see how it's relevant.

It's a moot point really. It's clear at this point the US government wants to do nothing but provide thoughts and prayers rather than any solution.

There must be a reason, I imagine the money involved in the firearms industry has something to do with it.
 
radderfire said:
From the Guardian article:

"There have been more than 140 shootings reported in elementary and secondary schools in 2025 thus far, according to the K-12 School Shooting Database."

It's a grave failing of democracy that nothing is getting done about this.
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More stabbings in UK schools in 2025 by far than shootings in US schools, should we ban knif... oh wait.
 
If the Americans aren’t going to do anything about the gun problem then the only thing they can do to protect the children is ban schools.
 
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