Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?

[IvanDobskey]

I don't actually think United improved their team much this summer. Cunha is an ok player, but he plays in rat boys position. So now rat boy is having to drop into midfield where he is poor. I don't think sesko is much better than Hoijland. Mbuemo? Pretty average player in my opinion, no better than what they already have. In fact Amad is probably better.

I just don't think Amorims wing back system works over here. There's a reason nobody else plays it.

 

[JamesH85]

"there there...everything will be alright"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1961120162712539202

That's the best one hahahaha!

Can see United coming after Howe, another Ashworth saga from the penny pinchers.

 

[JRS]

I'd like to see him take stock of everything, and put out a team in a 433/4231/whatever and try something different.

But they already sacked a manager who was playing 4-3-3 with mostly the same players to get Amorim and his system in as a replacement.

Genuinely would love it if he went full Mike Bassett at a press conference. Quote Kipling, and button it with "Ladies and gentlemen. Manchester United will be playing three-four-*******-three."

 

[Mekrel]

I just don't think Amorims wing back system works over here. There's a reason nobody else plays it.

Except for Oliver Glasner who has Crystal Palace on something like an 11 unbeaten game run in the EPL? Which included some tough games such as Liverpool and Arsenal.

I don't think it's the system in its own right, it's the fact he doesn't have the players to execute it but he should know that, so it doesn't excuse hin. I would rather have a corpse as a RWB over Dalot, Amad doesn't work there either. Dorgu has shown some promise on the opposite flank but hasn't actually provided anything of note in terms of G+A.

Add into that there's no midfield pairing that works together as most of them are better further forward, and Ugarte appears to have won his football career in a text to win competition.

 

[sigma]

But they already sacked a manager who was playing 4-3-3 with mostly the same players to get Amorim and his system in as a replacement.

Genuinely would love it if he went full Mike Bassett at a press conference. Quote Kipling, and button it with "Ladies and gentlemen. Manchester United will be playing three-four-*******-three."

But things have got much worse since EtH/4-3-3. Are you suggesting the club can never play 4-3-3 again?

It is ironic because people were saying "it can't get any worse".

 

[booyaka]

Mainoo requested to leave on loan - refused by United.

Another unhappy player.

They need to do some serious shifting of players before Mondays deadline

 

[sigma]

Except for Oliver Glasner who has Crystal Palace on something like an 11 unbeaten game run in the EPL? Which included some tough games such as Liverpool and Arsenal.

I don't think it's the system in its own right, it's the fact he doesn't have the players to execute it but he should know that, so it doesn't excuse hin. I would rather have a corpse as a RWB over Dalot, Amad doesn't work there either. Dorgu has shown some promise on the opposite flank but hasn't actually provided anything of note in terms of G+A.

Add into that there's no midfield pairing that works together as most of them are better further forward, and Ugarte appears to have won his football career in a text to win competition.

Palace also had Eze playing in beast mode.

 

[sigma]

Mainoo requested to leave on loan - refused by United.

Another unhappy player.

They need to do some serious shifting of players before Mondays deadline

He should be unhappy after his poor performance against Grimsby

 

[sigma]

If it doesn’t, then once more round the houses we go and the poisonous cycle continues and the season is probably another write off.

Maybe I’m just getting old and wore down by it all, but more change is just going to wear my interest down further than it already has.

That's pretty much what I said a while ago, the club are screwed whatever they do.

Time to start asking questions about the people running the show.

 

[Shamikebab]

Mainoo requested to leave on loan - refused by United.

Another unhappy player.

They need to do some serious shifting of players before Mondays deadline

If he'd asked 2 months ago we could have worked something out. Asking to leave 4 days before the window closes is just stupid.

 

[Converge]

If he'd asked 2 months ago we could have worked something out. Asking to leave 4 days before the window closes is just stupid.

He’s way overhyped and I don’t think it looks good on him doing that, particularly after Grimsby, where he hardly set the world on fire as it is, and it just shows a lack of desire to fight for his place. The past year hasn’t been particularly stellar for him either.

 

[fez]

He’s way overhyped and I don’t think it looks good on him doing that, particularly after Grimsby, where he hardly set the world on fire as it is, and it just shows a lack of desire to fight for his place. The past year hasn’t been particularly stellar for him either.

He was really rusty against Grimsby but hes hardly played lately so its not surprising. And the club would be mad to loan him out if they are considering sacking Amorim because the next manager in will almost certainly have him as first choice CM.

 

[Thekwango]

Been thinking more about mainoo - he's clearly not up to the fight, waits till the last minute to request to go out on loan, but doesn't want to leave the club. yea, he's not interested in putting a shift in. probably stalling for time in the hope that amorim gets the heave ho and the next manager in will 'like' him more. not a great look and does hint towards a weak mentality - which is seemingly still rife within the playing staff.

 

[JRS]

But things have got much worse since EtH/4-3-3. Are you suggesting the club can never play 4-3-3 again?

It is ironic because people were saying "it can't get any worse".

I'm suggesting that Man Utd's midfield woes go all the way back through a lot of managers at this point, I'm suggesting that sacking yet another manager probably won't fix that without major changes behind the scenes (i.e. in ownership country) and I'm suggesting that the Man Utd players are - practically to a man - over-hyped, self-impressed little prima donnas at best and lazy, incompetent yammering boobs at worst. I mean, damn. The club captain, Bruno bloody Fernandes, so rattled and ******* off by the referee accidentally brushing against him ahead of a penalty kick that he loses his blob and sends it clean over the bar into the cheap seats against Fulham. He could'a/would'a should'a been yeeted off into the Saudi league during this transfer window, but they can't even do that because as bad as they are with him - and they're pretty bad - they're somehow even worse when he's not on the pitch!

This was written about the club in 2022, Ragnick was interim coach at the time:

But really the idea is to work and run together, and it is in these joined-up qualities that United also fall short. Here we have a goalkeeper who stays on his line, partnered with a slow, low central defence, creating a familiar stodge in deep areas. The central midfield is poor at forward passing, a disastrous blockage in a team where the attack (which stays upfield) is your real strength.

Amorim brings in a new system, wanting to shake this up. But he's stuck with a bunch of players that are variously either unable or unwilling to adapt to it. So nothing changes. Onana either stays on his line and fumbles the save or at the very least is too slow in coming off his line to make the shot harder. The defence still looks like they're wading through treacle. The midfield is still more of an impediment that must be bypassed with a long Hail Mary pass than an engine for building a move. And instead of sorting these things out they've spent a small fortune on a brand new attack to carry on getting little-to-no service, because Man Utd's recruitment policy is absolutely banjaxed.

And the solution will all-too inevitably be sacking another manager/head coach, getting someone else in and not changing a damned thing about the way the club operates, then professing surprise when this doesn't lead to sunlit uplands of league and European glory.

'Woo'.

 

[sigma]

I'm suggesting that Man Utd's midfield woes go all the way back through a lot of managers at this point, I'm suggesting that sacking yet another manager probably won't fix that without major changes behind the scenes (i.e. in ownership country) and I'm suggesting that the Man Utd players are - practically to a man - over-hyped, self-impressed little prima donnas at best and lazy, incompetent yammering boobs at worst. I mean, damn. The club captain, Bruno bloody Fernandes, so rattled and ******* off by the referee accidentally brushing against him ahead of a penalty kick that he loses his blob and sends it clean over the bar into the cheap seats against Fulham. He could'a/would'a should'a been yeeted off into the Saudi league during this transfer window, but they can't even do that because as bad as they are with him - and they're pretty bad - they're somehow even worse when he's not on the pitch!

This was written about the club in 2022, Ragnick was interim coach at the time:



Amorim brings in a new system, wanting to shake this up. But he's stuck with a bunch of players that are variously either unable or unwilling to adapt to it. So nothing changes. Onana either stays on his line and fumbles the save or at the very least is too slow in coming off his line to make the shot harder. The defence still looks like they're wading through treacle. The midfield is still more of an impediment that must be bypassed with a long Hail Mary pass than an engine for building a move. And instead of sorting these things out they've spent a small fortune on a brand new attack to carry on getting little-to-no service, because Man Utd's recruitment policy is absolutely banjaxed.

And the solution will all-too inevitably be sacking another manager/head coach, getting someone else in and not changing a damned thing about the way the club operates, then professing surprise when this doesn't lead to sunlit uplands of league and European glory.

'Woo'.

What's the solution then, if Amorim stays? He's won something like 14/45 matches and 7 of those were in Europe.

If that continues we will probably be relegated.

 

[Robbo]

But they already sacked a manager who was playing 4-3-3 with mostly the same players to get Amorim and his system in as a replacement.

Genuinely would love it if he went full Mike Bassett at a press conference. Quote Kipling, and button it with "Ladies and gentlemen. Manchester United will be playing three-four-*******-three."

So what? It’s not just the system, it’s the coaching of the system and how the players suit it… and how the manager motivates the players.

Just because Ten Hag ultimately came up short doesn’t mean we can’t try something else.

In fairness to Amorim he was clear to Berrada from the outset that he will only play this system. It all seemed a bit high risk… but then the system is supposed to be good!

All this stuff about the culture at the club, I really don’t think it’s quite that complicated. The players aren’t running around on that Grimsby pitch thinking about Jim Ratcliffe and the Glazers.

Ultimately we just have to ask ourselves, based on the last 10 months or so, do we think he’s capable of turning this around? I would be shocked if he could.

 

[C Kent]

Ultimately we just have to ask ourselves, based on the last 10 months or so, do we think he’s capable of turning this around? I would be shocked if he could.

Turn it around from 15th to top 4? No chance, but that's what 90/95% of you lot expect to happen. You need to reign in the expectations, mind you if your fanbase hasn't done that yet I can't see it happening now (you aren't helped by the likes of neville and ferdinand, 2 of the biggest blerts going having you top 4 every year regardless).

 

[Robbo]

Turn it around from 15th to top 4? No chance, but that's what 90/95% of you lot expect to happen. You need to reign in the expectations, mind you if your fanbase hasn't done that yet I can't see it happening now (you aren't helped by the likes of neville and ferdinand, 2 of the biggest blerts going having you top 4 every year regardless).

No, forget top 4. I think that squad can finish 6-8th, but ultimately even getting a win is proving difficult at the moment.

I don’t think 90% of our fans expected 4th.

Even if we finished 10th, but there were obvious good signs, I wouldn’t really care. All negative at the moment though.

 

[Thekwango]

but that's what 90/95% of you lot expect to happen

no it's not, stop talking **** - i know you like to spend a weird amount of time talking about man u but at least try and not come across as a complete spanner by just making stuff up.

 

[C Kent]

No, forget top 4. I think that squad can finish 6-8th, but ultimately even getting a win is proving difficult at the moment.

Why tho? Your midfield is atrocious, your defence is average at best, your wb's (the key to the entire system thst amorim plays are amongst the worst in the league) your goalkeepers are championship level at best. I'd argue that the teams thst finished 1-8 last season and spurs all have better squads, then the likes of Bournemouth, fulham, Palace all have better managers.

I don’t think 90% of our fans expected 4th.

Except they did.

All negative at the moment though.

Because you overhype and then come crashing down. Look at how a loss against arsenal was taken by folks, said it before but you need to completely ignore performances and results against the big boys of the league.