Freeman of the Land / Bonkers Theories
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If @drew doesn't give us an update soon, I will make an official complaint to the internet under freeman law.
Sorry all, so lame. Been a hectic few days.
This is the email from my solicitor, not what i wanted to hear, but quite frankly my position is still NET zero as a month or so ago I was none the wiser.
I do think this still has some gas in the tank, so we shall see where we end up.
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Following our conversation, I’ve now reviewed the Trust Deed. It appears that you, your father, **, and ** are the appointed Trustees of the ** ** Family Trust 2020. The trust identifies its beneficiaries as including the Settlor (your father, **), his children (yourself and sister), their descendants, individuals nominated by your father during his lifetime, and charities. The trust period is set at 125 years less one day from the date of the deed.
Under Clause 3, the Trustees hold an overriding power of appointment. This means that, provided there are at least two trustees acting, they may redirect the trust assets and income to any of the beneficiaries, including transferring them to another authorised settlement. In theory, this power could be used to appoint the entire trust fund to your father.
Subject to that overriding power, Clause 2 provides that all income from the trust fund is payable to your father during his lifetime. Upon his death, the trust capital is to be held for you and ** in equal shares, or if either of you has predeceased leaving children, for those children. If no such beneficiaries remain, the fund may be applied for charitable purposes.
Clause 7 gives your father the power to remove any one or more of the Trustees by deed. This clause confirms that he does have the authority to remove you as a Trustee.
If you would like me to review and respond to the correspondence you’ve received from your father’s solicitor, I’d be happy to assist. I understand your concerns about incurring fees, and while it is uncommon for a trust fund to cover the legal costs of a beneficiary seeking advice on their own provision, we can certainly include a request for this in our initial letter if you wish.
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Still begs the question, why does he require my co-operation? If this is an olive branch he can go **** himself.
This is the email from my solicitor, not what i wanted to hear, but quite frankly my position is still NET zero as a month or so ago I was none the wiser.
I do think this still has some gas in the tank, so we shall see where we end up.
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Following our conversation, I’ve now reviewed the Trust Deed. It appears that you, your father, **, and ** are the appointed Trustees of the ** ** Family Trust 2020. The trust identifies its beneficiaries as including the Settlor (your father, **), his children (yourself and sister), their descendants, individuals nominated by your father during his lifetime, and charities. The trust period is set at 125 years less one day from the date of the deed.
Under Clause 3, the Trustees hold an overriding power of appointment. This means that, provided there are at least two trustees acting, they may redirect the trust assets and income to any of the beneficiaries, including transferring them to another authorised settlement. In theory, this power could be used to appoint the entire trust fund to your father.
Subject to that overriding power, Clause 2 provides that all income from the trust fund is payable to your father during his lifetime. Upon his death, the trust capital is to be held for you and ** in equal shares, or if either of you has predeceased leaving children, for those children. If no such beneficiaries remain, the fund may be applied for charitable purposes.
Clause 7 gives your father the power to remove any one or more of the Trustees by deed. This clause confirms that he does have the authority to remove you as a Trustee.
If you would like me to review and respond to the correspondence you’ve received from your father’s solicitor, I’d be happy to assist. I understand your concerns about incurring fees, and while it is uncommon for a trust fund to cover the legal costs of a beneficiary seeking advice on their own provision, we can certainly include a request for this in our initial letter if you wish.
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Still begs the question, why does he require my co-operation? If this is an olive branch he can go **** himself.
Step back mate, he wants your co-operation as he needs himself and one other in the trust to be able to make that decision to give him 100% of his house back.
Given he's trying to olive branch you, that tells me that all other parties involved are not looking to help him achieve that.
In my view, this line has given away your dads intention and what the lawyers are there to assist with.
I could be wrong of course, but given the Lawyers letter and amount of people in the trust, it seems everyone else in the trust does not want to authorise the power to make the changes.
Also, this is your fault for having such an interesting situation and getting all of us hooked on the story and outcome.
Genuinely one of the best threads on this entire forum in my view.
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I learnt the hard way that you can't negotiate a positive outcome with this man, every decision is self serving.
The woman he is with is the one that split my parents up, was about 35 years ago now, they have had an extremely tumultuous relationship. It got worse in 2010 when her son killed himself, he was a heroin addict and was on methadone, chose to jump out of a tree with a rope around his neck because of the pain. The whole family is a mess or resentment and anger, he left 4 kids behind all under 10.
She blamed my father (hate using that word) as he stopped him coming round to the house, she's extremely poisonous and certainly a catalyst for the start of the end in 2020.
She is a nasty nasty piece of work. I think I've mentioned that my sister has special needs, she refused to have anything to do with her and effectively forced my father to reduce his visitations, i don't think he needed much encouragement though, when my parents found out my sister was the way she is he blamed my mother for my sister being "broken".
EVERY year without fail they would be on the verge of splitting up and selling up, this will probably be another on of those times.
God there is so much ****** up stuff in my family, lol. I really should sit down and write a book.
Feel free to AMA. It may help get some of this out of my head onto a screen in case I do want to write a book.
It's quite cathartic, i'm sat here amused at writing the above, I'm so over it now that I find the whole situation they find themselves in laughable, she's also trapped while i'm on that trust...
The woman he is with is the one that split my parents up, was about 35 years ago now, they have had an extremely tumultuous relationship. It got worse in 2010 when her son killed himself, he was a heroin addict and was on methadone, chose to jump out of a tree with a rope around his neck because of the pain. The whole family is a mess or resentment and anger, he left 4 kids behind all under 10.
She blamed my father (hate using that word) as he stopped him coming round to the house, she's extremely poisonous and certainly a catalyst for the start of the end in 2020.
She is a nasty nasty piece of work. I think I've mentioned that my sister has special needs, she refused to have anything to do with her and effectively forced my father to reduce his visitations, i don't think he needed much encouragement though, when my parents found out my sister was the way she is he blamed my mother for my sister being "broken".
EVERY year without fail they would be on the verge of splitting up and selling up, this will probably be another on of those times.
God there is so much ****** up stuff in my family, lol. I really should sit down and write a book.
Feel free to AMA. It may help get some of this out of my head onto a screen in case I do want to write a book.
It's quite cathartic, i'm sat here amused at writing the above, I'm so over it now that I find the whole situation they find themselves in laughable, she's also trapped while i'm on that trust...
Yeah I cant imagine the amount of pain, stress, energy and just loss of love all of those events could cause you and your family, the other woman certainly sounds like her own toxicity brings more her way, shame those people can never see it that way.
Only due to if it only needs 2 of you to agree, how can you ensure the 4th member of this does not side with your dad?
Drew, I suspect its not just my view when I say this, but absolutely incredible job of you (and sister?) to not get dragged down with the BS, get more toxic with them and more.
Must look pretty damn good from up there on that high ground you got!
Thats just tragic as I cant imagine those kids are going to have the best upbringing and chances now either.
So, you, your father, your sister, who's the 4th? Sorry if I have missed this before.
Only due to if it only needs 2 of you to agree, how can you ensure the 4th member of this does not side with your dad?
Drew, I suspect its not just my view when I say this, but absolutely incredible job of you (and sister?) to not get dragged down with the BS, get more toxic with them and more.
Must look pretty damn good from up there on that high ground you got!
3rd and 4th is his partner and her daughter. My sister is a beneficiary as shes not really capable of being a trustee.
The day I called time on the relationship and decided my sanity was worth more than any business i built was like a new beginning. It was a rocky six months while i wrangled the business of him.Drew, I suspect its not just my view when I say this, but absolutely incredible job of you (and sister?) to not get dragged down with the BS, get more toxic with them and more.
Must look pretty damn good from up there on that high ground you got!
I finally resigned on 30th of August 2021 when he paid his partner 35k in a "settlement agreement", she officially retired in April 21, i had it all in writing, this crook said I had sacked her. He negotiated her side of settlement against the company he owned 60% of on her behalf. It was crooked to say the least.
This was all done behind my back while I was on holiday in Arizona and timed to land in my inbox as i was travelling to catch the plane home.
He also paid himself 10k that day, he hadn't worked a day since the March fallout.
We had these emails from her email address clearly written by him with all his bonkers jargon, imagine the mental gymnastics. As with all settlements it has to be signed off by a solicitor that we paid for, he wracked up a bill there that we had to foot as well. The solicitor knew the guy who was doing our side of the deal, he said he was the worst person he's ever had to deal with.
When our management accountant finally got his inbox added to her outlook she found an email he wrote from his company email to his partner saying something like, "told you I'd get you paid, dinners on you"
Our Ops Director at the time and our accountant went to his house to discuss the final offer I made. Two hours they were there for, his partner basically said take the deal or you'll end up with nothing as the business would fold and he'd end up with nothing.
When he finally accepted the deal and shook hands on it, as they left he tried to change it and demanded a 60k additional consultancy fee (for nothing) as they literally headed out the door. The blokes tapped in the head.
There are so many of these anecdotes.
I did get a small amount of revenge the day after the deal was all signed off and done. He had forgotten the company paid for his and her mobile phones, so i had them cut off. He emailed our Ops Director all nicey nicey and asked for the PAC codes so he could get the numbers transferred, so i got my Ops Director to email back that we would release the numbers for 35k, he went ape ****
I was then cc'd into this email titled "A NEW START", i wet myself
> I see that I have been expunged from the *** Ltd web site ***.
> Sick boy !!
> He might be able to expunge me from the web site, but he won’t be able to expunge the knowledge that I AM the founder of *** Ltd, and always will be, and everyone knows it too.
> We are going to get new phone numbers and expunge him from our network completely now.
> Well done ***, you’ve ****** up for the last time.
Then a bit later
> As for the phones, the number I’ve had for 28 years has been stolen by your ******** MD
> It was my number for 5 years before *** Ltd was incorporated as I’ve had it since 1993 (this is a lie BTW)
> Everyone who we’ve told about this is shocked he is being such a ****.
God this is making me literally laugh, i have a few emails that i can throw in.
Sorry if my posts are difficult to follow.
This was early march 21, a few days after i grey rocked him
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Dear ****,
As I have no access to Sage anymore, I am unable to look after the debtors ledger. < (He decided to stay at home, so of course no access to on prem accounts!)
From hereon, you will have to make payments to suppliers < (hard considering he left me with one current account to use, we had 500k in a rainy day fund)
I expect them to be made every week, Thursday or Friday
Starting this week.
In line with the *** Ltd employers manual (to treat everyone equally), it will be expected that if you make any mistakes during this process, that you will immediately withdraw your access to the facility you have used whilst making the mistake and notify me so that I can take appropriate action.
I will also of course be unable to monitor the creditors ledger, and so will take no further part in that process
You are now responsible for ensuring that accounts are kept up to date and payments are made on time
It is imperative that there be enough funds in the account to pay wages each month ( obviously)
That responsibility will also now fall on you.
Finally, I will no longer be monitoring accounts emails, ( I do this daily as a matter of course) as it will be pointless.
Your Chairman
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I have a letter somewhere where he signed it off, that made me chuckle.
Founder
Chairman
Father
When a NPD persons power starts to slip they will do anything, he was in classic narcissistic collapse
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Dear ****,
As I have no access to Sage anymore, I am unable to look after the debtors ledger. < (He decided to stay at home, so of course no access to on prem accounts!)
From hereon, you will have to make payments to suppliers < (hard considering he left me with one current account to use, we had 500k in a rainy day fund)
I expect them to be made every week, Thursday or Friday
Starting this week.
In line with the *** Ltd employers manual (to treat everyone equally), it will be expected that if you make any mistakes during this process, that you will immediately withdraw your access to the facility you have used whilst making the mistake and notify me so that I can take appropriate action.
I will also of course be unable to monitor the creditors ledger, and so will take no further part in that process
You are now responsible for ensuring that accounts are kept up to date and payments are made on time
It is imperative that there be enough funds in the account to pay wages each month ( obviously)
That responsibility will also now fall on you.
Finally, I will no longer be monitoring accounts emails, ( I do this daily as a matter of course) as it will be pointless.
Your Chairman
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I have a letter somewhere where he signed it off, that made me chuckle.
Founder
Chairman
Father
When a NPD persons power starts to slip they will do anything, he was in classic narcissistic collapse
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So you're buggered then, he just needs his wife to fob you off and then he can remove you if I've read it correctly?
Yea, buggered is probably the wrong word, i don't see it like that, I don't need his money etc, would have been nice to have messed him around but c'est la vie
I do think he would have removed me already without reaching out to me via his solicitor though, something is afoot.
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Possible that the wife isn't playing ball because she thinks the money will end up in some Freeman scam?
Well he's already smoked 75k on a charging order on the house from VWFS, theres a clause in the trust about it being financially disadvantaged by one of the trustees fraudulent behaviour, funny that...
He's wasted a lot on freeman scams, not so much paying people, but just getting himself into trouble with authorities. I can't wait for the day HMRC finally do something with the information i've provided them.
FYI they're not married.
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Thanks for the update. I remember when he was unable to use his phone, seems like ages ago
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Is she an older lady? I ask as UTI's can cause behavioural changes (delirium) for them.
Ah.
So could this all be an attempt to scrape cash together to prevent his house of cards from collapsing?
Yea I think so, suspect he’s trying to claim back his assets as she wants out and he will need to buy a house etc, could be a reach, but somethings going on.
Ain't no strife like family strife. I haven't known any family that doesn't have some mental drama, but this one definitely takes the prize. The spectacular falling out over inheritance that went down when my father-in-law passed was small beans in comparison.
I hope you can find some solace in the fact that this ordeal is highly entertaining for your audience
I hope you can find some solace in the fact that this ordeal is highly entertaining for your audience