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antijoke said:
Well there is one person crying, Glasner, proper threw his toys out the pram
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I don't think you can blame Glasner too much. He's done an incredible job and wants to build on last season. He's been complaining all summer about the lack of progress the club had made on transfers so to face the prospect of losing Guehi having already lost Eze, with very little coming in, it's easy to understand why he threw his toys out of the pram.
 
BaZ87 said:
Well that was the only point I was replying to. To suggest Palace didn't know the money was on the table for Guehi is more than a bit disingenuous when they had an opening bid for broadly what they were willing to accept weeks ago.
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There is nothing disingenuous. They had a bid that was unacceptable weeks ago. There was no indication Liverpool would make a bid that was broadly acceptable until the weekend.

Liverpool could have raised the bid ages ago but decided against it. They were free to do this.

Like I said, Liverpool fans might think £5m is nothing. To a smaller club like Palace it isn’t.
 
BaZ87 said:
I don't think you can blame Glasner too much. He's done an incredible job and wants to build on last season. He's been complaining all summer about the lack of progress the club had made on transfers so to face the prospect of losing Guehi having already lost Eze, with very little coming in, it's easy to understand why he threw his toys out of the pram.
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His actions will have serious implications on the relationship of the manager and player going forward now, not matter how professional Guehi was before this happened I’d imagine it will be very different going forwards, sometimes you just have to suck it up, now palace get less money in the future for him (possibly even nothing if we wait until the end of the season).
 
Well having watched Palace play for years in the second tier in front of 12,000 I’m still happy with where we are now.

We won the FA Cup and we have a trip into Europe. It won’t last but I’m just enjoying the good times while they last
 
spudbynight said:
There is nothing disingenuous. They had a bid that was unacceptable weeks ago. There was no indication Liverpool would make a bid that was broadly acceptable until the weekend.

Liverpool could have raised the bid ages ago but decided against it. They were free to do this.

Like I said, Liverpool fans might think £5m is nothing. To a smaller club like Palace it isn’t.
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If not disingenuous, it's incredibly naive of you then. It was widely reported and accepted that Guehi wanted to join Liverpool, Liverpool made an opening bid of £30m+ (and we all know an opening offer is never the most a side will pay) and Steve Parish told the press that Palace almost certainly have to sell weeks ago. Palace knew the money from his potential sale was there so trying to pretend otherwise is just silly.

I have no issue with Palace not selling (and have never been overly keen on signing him), they have to do what's right for Palace and I can completely understand why Glasner was totally against the sale but trying to argue that Palace couldn't line up a replacement until the Guehi deal was completely agreed is nonsense.
antijoke said:
His actions will have serious implications on the relationship of the manager and player going forward now, not matter how professional Guehi was before this happened I’d imagine it will be very different going forwards, sometimes you just have to suck it up, now palace get less money in the future for him (possibly even nothing if we wait until the end of the season).
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Possibly and that's the gamble that Palace have took.
 
Elliott's completed his move to Villa. Loan with an obligation next summer subject to making a certain number of appearances. Liverpool journo's are reporting that we have a sell-on clause and a buyback option as part of the deal.
 
BaZ87 said:
If not disingenuous, it's incredibly naive of you then. It was widely reported and accepted that Guehi wanted to join Liverpool, Liverpool made an opening bid of £30m+ (and we all know an opening offer is never the most a side will pay) and Steve Parish told the press that Palace almost certainly have to sell weeks ago. Palace knew the money from his potential sale was there so trying to pretend otherwise is just silly.
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Nothing disingenuous and nothing naive.

All summer transfers have fallen through because clubs couldn’t agree on price. Liverpool made an opening bid and didn’t increase it until the last minute.

Palace had no way of knowing if Liverpool would increase their offer or not.

Earlier in the summer the press reported that Palace had agreed to sign Diomande from Porto. This never happened as Palace were not willing to offer the price Sporting wanted. Sporting knew Palace wanted the player. They knew there was an offer on the table. They would look like prize plums if they spent that money ahead of an agreement.

Palace would be in trouble if they had signed a player with that money only for the deal to not happen.
 
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I thought Liverpool had made 3 bids, 30m with add ons, then a straight 35 which stayed on the table for a few weeks and then the 35 plus 10%. Palace had wanted 35m plus 5m adds so they knew 35m was available for a number of weeks
 
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I disagree, I think it's incredibly naive to believe that Palace didn't know that they could get £35m out of Liverpool. Furthermore Palace didn't have to complete the signing of his replacement, they simply had to have him/them lined up in preparation for the Guehi deal being completed. It's literally what every club will have done multiple times over the years when they're faced with a player looking to leave. To suggest Palace couldn't do this until the Guehi deal had been agreed is silly. But anyway, I'm sure you will disagree as you did with the Palace/UEFA stuff.
 
BaZ87 said:
I disagree, I think it's incredibly naive to believe that Palace didn't know that they could get £35m out of Liverpool. Furthermore Palace didn't have to complete the signing of his replacement, they simply had to have him/them lined up in preparation for the Guehi deal being completed. It's literally what every club will have done multiple times over the years when they're faced with a player looking to leave. To suggest Palace couldn't do this until the Guehi deal had been agreed is silly. But anyway, I'm sure you will disagree as you did with the Palace/UEFA stuff.
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I disagree, but we are going round in circles here
 
kaiowas said:
Are you genuinely naive enough to not realise that most deals are agreed in principle subject to various pre-requisites before a formal offer is made? Palace will have known for ages that Liverpool were ready to buy as soon as they gave the green light. They’ve had ample time to secure a replacement without needing to commit any additional funds.
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I don’t think this is the case - particularly for clubs that live and die through their transfers, rather than it just being a PSR frustration.

If the deal was agreed ages ago, then Palace would have either not played Guehi or would have told Liverpool it had to be completed by a certain date to allow for a replacement to be found in time - he certainly wouldn't have played last night if it was a forgone conclusion that a bid was due today.

Most longstanding mid and lower table clubs in this division can't have mega deals in place on the basis that they  might sell a crucial first team member with hours to go before the window ends. They might have targets and sounded clubs out - clubs that also would have told Palace that selling to Palace on TDD was not going to happen - but they won't have transfers ready to go on a "green light" basis.

Same with Brentford - we weren't able to replace Wissa with a buy today, as we had no idea if a) Newcastle were going to bid today and b) how much. That how much, seeing as they had bid £20m below his sale price two weeks back, determined whether Brentford could spend £20m on a replacement or £40m... and even then it was conditional on Liverpool bidding, having and offer accepted, and getting a transfer over the line today for Isak. You can't simply have "deals in principal" if you don’t have any idea what you've got in the transfer budget.

Teams like us just don't/won't/can't have these massive outlays lined up "just in case".
 
toshj said:
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Your framing of the whole Guehi situation is at complete odds with reality. Steve Parish admitted weeks ago that if Guehi wouldn't sign a new deal then he'd have to be sold. Palace knew that Guehi was highly likely to leave and it was the preference of the club that he left. It was never a 'just in case' situation, it was a highly likely outcome and any sensible club would have replacements lined up.

You cannot compare this to the Wissa situation either. Newcastle have ended up paying around double(?) what they initially offered whereas Palace accepted an offer a few £m more than they were offered weeks ago. Guehi has continued to play because ultimately Glasner has point blank refused to accept his departure - he's literally been saying it for weeks.

I suppose you believe that Brentford go into every transfer window without any targets because after all, they have no idea how much they're going to receive from sales in any given window? Of course they don't because they're not run by Derek Trotter.
 
See if Chelsea didn’t buy every single person available they’d be an amazing money making machine.

I don’t know how they manage to get Bayern to agree to pay £56m if they play him so often. Crazy
 
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