Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Pottsey]

Why didn't the AI missile explode, was it a dud?

It did explode or at least we can see fragments that seem to get dragged along and move with the Orb that somehow kept flying and changed direction. Its the best evidence we have that these things are real and not just balloons, birds and the like. Only half way though the briefing but its clear the military have been engaging these things and not being able to harm them. The video was one example.

I'm not buying it, the Universe is bound by the speed of light, I won't for 1 second believe that magic can get you 1000 light years or way more than just going through a Stargate, it's pure Science Fiction.

We don't know that for sure plus there is that entire weirdness with Quantum entanglement where if you take two entanglement items and move them 1000 light years away and change the state of one the other changes states instantly despite being 1000 light years away. Somehow the information is moving faster then the speed of light without moving faster then the speed of light.

 

[Minusorange]

I'm not buying it, the Universe is bound by the speed of light, I won't for 1 second believe that magic can get you 1000 light years or way more than just going through a Stargate, it's pure Science Fiction.

If you told someone from 100 years ago that we're made up of 7 octillion of these things called atoms that aren't solid objects but are actually clouds of quantum magnetism that float around each other, do you think they would believe you ?

 

[aardvark]

We don't know that for sure plus there is that entire weirdness with Quantum entanglement where if you take two entanglement items and move them 1000 light years away and change the state of one the other changes states instantly despite being 1000 light years away. Somehow the information is moving faster then the speed of light without moving faster then the speed of light.

thats not how it works - no information is being transfered between the two. Entangled particles do not communicate with each other in any way.

 

[Pottsey]

thats not how it works - no information is being transfered between the two. Entangled particles do not communicate with each other in any way.

My understanding is when you change the state of one the other changes state instantly no matter the distance. Anyway my point is we dont know for sure that the universe is bound by the speed of light, it could very well be. Its just there might be ways to go faster then light or there might be loop holes we can exploit. Our understanding of the Universe isn't good enough to be 100% sure.

 

[aardvark]

My understanding is when you change the state of one the other changes state instantly no matter the distance. Anyway my point is we dont know for sure that the universe is bound by the speed of light, it could very well be. Its just there might be ways to go faster then light or there might be loop holes we can exploit. Our understanding of the Universe isn't good enough to be 100% sure.

sort of but not really - its a quantum state that entangled, so really its the same state and its independent of distance. The entalement only works if you measure both the quantum states in the same way - observe from a different angle and they are no longer entangled.
Its complicated, but faster than light communication between the two has been experimentally disproven many times.
We have no evidense that faster than light anything is possible, even cosmic events that emit thousands of times the energy of an average galaxy are bound by it - the speed of light appears to be a fundamental property of the universe.

 

[ethan]

I'm not buying it, the Universe is bound by the speed of light,

The problem of induction illustrates that scientific laws are not written in stone because it highlights that our conclusions about the future are based on past experiences, and there is no logical justification for assuming the future will always resemble the past. The problem shows that even well-established scientific laws, derived from repeated observations, could potentially be proven wrong by future experiences, demonstrating their provisional rather than absolute nature. That is to say, nothing need ever to be bound by anything scientifically. Call it the fallibility factor

 

[SexyGreyFox]

If you told someone from 100 years ago that we're made up of 7 octillion of these things called atoms that aren't solid objects but are actually clouds of quantum magnetism that float around each other, do you think they would believe you ?

Strawman argument, not the same.
A to B, you're not going to get there any faster.

When I was younger I used to love telling people there are two hotels, you're on the 30th floor of hotel A and you've got to get to the 30th floor on hotel B.
You get a lift down to the ground, run over and get a lift up to the 30th floor on B.
But what if you could just put a plank of wood across from the windows of Hotel A and B?

I saw that on a science program about bending space when I was a young lad and then I realised it was complete rubbish.

 

[Tombstone]

That MQ9 video is actually pretty interesting, I'd like to know more about whats actually going on in that and what the object is.

 

[ethan]

That MQ9 video is actually pretty interesting, I'd like to know more about whats actually going on in that and what the object is.

The feedback labels the object as an Orb. A question from the panel asks whether the dropping of a number of other orbs on impact from the Hellfire missile was a defensive posture? Certainly an interesting video:

 

[esmozz]

Using a Hellfire missile (designed as an air to ground munition) as an air to air missile is unusual. If it's not fake then it's possible that downing an aircraft with one is a matter of luck.

Edit: A quick google suggests the hellfire missile has a top speed of approximately 1000mph - something doesn't look right about that video.

 

[keyser van someone]

It's likely a balloon. The object is moving slowly, the ground is 6 miles away, the balloon/whatever is about 3 miles away and it's the parallax effect like Gofast.

Maybe they used this type of missile that doesn't explode to:
1) minimise the debris over a populated area
2) has a higher chance of success because a missile isn't designed to hit balloons but aircraft
3) if you miss, fly around and have another go?
4) using the missile camera with explosives and a manual explodey button, the object is so small and the missile so fast that a person might not have time to react until it was a bit late to cause maximum damage

 

[Pottsey]

It's likely a balloon. The object is moving slowly, the ground is 6 miles away, the balloon/whatever is about 3 miles away and it's the parallax effect like Gofast.

Maybe they used this type of missile that doesn't explode to:
1) minimise the debris over a populated area
2) has a higher chance of success because a missile isn't designed to hit balloons but aircraft
3) if you miss, fly around and have another go?
4) using the missile camera with explosives and a manual explodey button, the object is so small and the missile so fast that a person might not have time to react until it was a bit late to cause maximum damage

The problem with Mick West is he makes stuff up and ignores supporting evidence. He looks at the videos in isolation and removes all other data that doesn't fit his theory like radar, ground witness's and any other supporting evidence when there is some.

Its like if we go back to Gofast the math and evidence shows its going what was it 51mph faster then windspeed? something like that, fast enough that its not a balloon. Yet Mick West ignores the speed and calls Gofast and this one a ballon even though both appear to fast for a balloon. Isn't the distance it travels after being hit by a missile too far for a balloon? A balloon would fall directly downward not keep traveling.

Mick West is as bad as the people that instantly jump to Alien.

 

[Felon]

Jeffrey Nuccatelli	U.S. Air Force Veteran	Link
Chief Alexandro Wiggins	U.S. Navy / UAP Witness	Link
George Knapp	Journalist	Link
Dylan Borland	UAP Witness / U.S. Air Force Veteran	Link
Joe Spielberger	Minority Witness / Senior Policy Counsel / Project On Government Oversight	Link

You can just imagine how shocked and surprised I am, to see George Knapp's name right in the middle of the list of people, and how amazed I am to see him talking in the 'restoring public trust' conference lol.

Same playbook being repeated over and over;

• Release vague video that can't be proven or disproven
• A bunch of people turn up to make a scene at a conference
• George Knapp involved <again> (the biggest red flag in any of this)
• whole thing is left open-ended with no conclusion
• Internet and media blows up with silliness for a few days

Give it another 12-24 months, we'll repeat the above scenarios again, like we did with the tic-tac BS, like we did with the David Grusch BS, on and on it'll go - just a circus to get clicks, attention and generate some $$$, nothing more.

 

[koolpc]

You can just imagine how shocked and surprised I am, to see George Knapp's name right in the middle of the list of people, and how amazed I am to see him talking in the 'restoring public trust' conference lol.

Same playbook being repeated over and over;

• Release vague video that can't be proven or disproven
• A bunch of people turn up to make a scene at a conference
• George Knapp involved <again> (the biggest red flag in any of this)
• whole thing is left open-ended with no conclusion
• Internet and media blows up with silliness for a few days

Give it another 12-24 months, we'll repeat the above scenarios again, like we did with the tic-tac BS, like we did with the David Grusch BS, on and on it'll go - just a circus to get clicks, attention and generate some $$$, nothing more.

You need to get out more...

 

[Pottsey]

You can just imagine how shocked and surprised I am, to see George Knapp's name right in the middle of the list of people, and how amazed I am to see him talking in the 'restoring public trust' conference lol.

Same playbook being repeated over and over;

• Release vague video that can't be proven or disproven
• A bunch of people turn up to make a scene at a conference
• George Knapp involved <again> (the biggest red flag in any of this)
• whole thing is left open-ended with no conclusion
• Internet and media blows up with silliness for a few days

Give it another 12-24 months, we'll repeat the above scenarios again, like we did with the tic-tac BS, like we did with the David Grusch BS, on and on it'll go - just a circus to get clicks, attention and generate some $$$, nothing more.

You mean George Knapp a renowned journalist who has won prestigious journalism awards who just handed a big wad of evidence over which has been vetted as real? Context matters, George Knapp was there due to having official documentation from other counties official UAP investigations. He was handing over that UAP investigation evidence. How is that a red flag? The FBI I think it was who they said vetted the evidence and confirmed its real documentation.

A bunch of people being high ranking some still active military officials with security clearance and more whistle-blowers. How do you explain so many active and former high ranking military officials all saying the same thing? All these extra whistle-blowers show that David Grusch was not BS.

When it was 1 or 2 people you might have had a point about some sort of scam to sell books. We are well past that stage. The idea this is a scam to sell books for money fall about years ago. If its a scam to sell books why are more and more whistle-blowers with credible backgrounds coming forward?

Dylan Borland is another geospatial intelligence specialist who testified to both the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) with direct first hand knowledge and experience with craft and technologies. These are not just random people at the pub BS talking. They are providing evidence to prove this is not just BS talk.

 

[koolpc]

You mean George Knapp a renowned journalist who has won prestigious journalism awards who just handed a big wad of evidence over which has been vetted as real? Context matters, George Knapp was there due to having official documentation from other counties official UAP investigations. He was handing over that UAP investigation evidence. How is that a red flag? The FBI I think it was who they said vetted the evidence and confirmed its real documentation.

A bunch of people being high ranking some still active military officials with security clearance and more whistle-blowers. How do you explain so many active and former high ranking military officials all saying the same thing? All these extra whistle-blowers show that David Grusch was not BS.

When it was 1 or 2 people you might have had a point about some sort of scam to sell books. We are well past that stage. The idea this is a scam to sell books for money fall about years ago. If its a scam to sell books why are more and more whistle-blowers with credible backgrounds coming forward?

Dylan Borland is another geospatial intelligence specialist who testified to both the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) with direct first hand knowledge and experience with craft and technologies. These are not just random people at the pub BS talking. They are providing evidence to prove this is not just BS talk.

Exactly....

People are quick to dismiss it as all fake or rubbish....there is just way too much info/evidence to do that. Too many testimonies from credible people.....

 

[aardvark]

The problem of induction illustrates that scientific laws are not written in stone because it highlights that our conclusions about the future are based on past experiences, and there is no logical justification for assuming the future will always resemble the past. The problem shows that even well-established scientific laws, derived from repeated observations, could potentially be proven wrong by future experiences, demonstrating their provisional rather than absolute nature. That is to say, nothing need ever to be bound by anything scientifically. Call it the fallibility factor

thats really not how science works at all - we have quite a lot of evidence that the speed of light is an absolute limit, and zero evidence that something can go faster.
To say that other theories have been proven incorrect over time, so the speed of light one will also be is moronic.
Is it possible that it isn't a limit? yes
Is it likely based on the evidence? not at all

if a super massive black hole merger with the peak energy output greater than the combined output of every star in the known universe cannot exceed the speed of light, maybe it just isn't possible.

 

[koolpc]

When people scoff at these reports you have to think why would these witnesses come forward like this and lie? For what benefit? I seriously believe that there is a massive cover up regarding UAP disclosure etc...halfway through this video the triangle testimony is very compelling.

 

[Felon]

You mean George Knapp a renowned journalist who has won prestigious journalism awards who just handed a big wad of evidence over which has been vetted as real? Context matters, George Knapp was there due to having official documentation from other counties official UAP investigations. He was handing over that UAP investigation evidence. How is that a red flag? The FBI I think it was who they said vetted the evidence and confirmed its real documentation.

A bunch of people being high ranking some still active military officials with security clearance and more whistle-blowers. How do you explain so many active and former high ranking military officials all saying the same thing? All these extra whistle-blowers show that David Grusch was not BS.

When it was 1 or 2 people you might have had a point about some sort of scam to sell books. We are well past that stage. The idea this is a scam to sell books for money fall about years ago. If its a scam to sell books why are more and more whistle-blowers with credible backgrounds coming forward?

Dylan Borland is another geospatial intelligence specialist who testified to both the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) with direct first hand knowledge and experience with craft and technologies. These are not just random people at the pub BS talking. They are providing evidence to prove this is not just BS talk.

It's all just exactly the same retort again though, isn't it?

This is no different than where we were a couple of years ago, it's just a re-spin of the same playbook.

Get a bunch of people together to talk BS.
Get a known BS'er to represent them
Nothing of any value comes out of it whatsoever
Get a bunch of clicks and attention.

How many more of these bogus shams do we need to have before you get it?

 

[keyser van someone]

The problem with Mick West is he makes stuff up and ignores supporting evidence. He looks at the videos in isolation and removes all other data that doesn't fit his theory like radar, ground witness's and any other supporting evidence when there is some.

Its like if we go back to Gofast the math and evidence shows its going what was it 51mph faster then windspeed? something like that, fast enough that its not a balloon. Yet Mick West ignores the speed and calls Gofast and this one a ballon even though both appear to fast for a balloon. Isn't the distance it travels after being hit by a missile too far for a balloon? A balloon would fall directly downward not keep traveling.

Mick West is as bad as the people that instantly jump to Alien.

Well he's a bloke on the internet showing how he got to the result. He also did an interview with the guy that works at the Pentagon who confirmed it's likely the parallax effect in the Gofast video, so you would have to raise your concerns with them.

The video is showing information, what that information is is open to interpretation. The UAP/UFO crowd says omg amazing tech that break physics. No one else thinks that.