*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

TNA said:
Hence it is going in the wrong direction.
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You have just rinsed and repeated what people have been moaning about for decades with Windows, every single version after 98 underwent this same rinse and repeat, this is nothing new. Third party tools have always existed to make windows "better", it's just more people have instant access to moan about it now than ever before so you read about the negatives the most as those voices are often the loudest.

None of this is brand new behaviour.

Yeah there are issues, my latest windows update hung at "0% do not turn off your computer" after clicking "restart and install updates", had to hard-reboot the PC and it then resumed and finished within 30 seconds, no idea why, nothing in event log, Windows update just hung, it could have been the Nvidia driver I just installed after the WUs were installed conflicting, it might have been something else, but I figured I'd just handle it and didn't really think of it again until right now to write this.

It is what it is, moan less, do more. Nothing else is going to change from big tech so why waste time moaning about it, plus, someone here needs to control the balance of echo chamber combo breaking :p

And besides, have people forgotten how things like power toys came about? StartAllBack etc exist to better the OS experience, some folks talk about them as if it's a bad thing to install a third party tool to make using something a better experience, when the OS vendor would not have been able to do a better job even if they did implement it natively. Using StartAllBack as an example, nothing MS has ever done with Windows has ever come close to what SAB allows you to do, and it uses zero CPU time whilst doing what it does.

As for the average consumer, they don't care, they just want to turn computer on, then run the app or game. Nothing else really matters to them. I know this because half my working life was spent dealing with the average user.
 
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Rroff said:
No but increasingly you need 3rd party tools just to take reasonable control of basic functionality whereas in the past it was more for tweaking advanced features or streamlining customisation rather than necessary.
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Yep and it is getting much worse. He just does not want to concede that. Why the **** must i be required to have an online account rather than a local one? Wtf...

That is the wrong direction. Simple as that. Rest is waffle as far as I am concerned.
 
I rarely use Windows these days (outside of work anyway) but I do have an old NUC that I force install the latest version on as the software for my comms unit on my crash helmet only works on Windows. I do tend to let it use an online account when doing a fresh install but as soon as that's done I make a local account and delete the online one. It's a poor workaround that shouldn't be necessary but as the NUC is only switched on to do updates to the comms unit it doesn't bother me too much and I still uninstall as much crapware as possible from the base install.
 
Infidelus said:
I rarely use Windows these days (outside of work anyway) but I do have an old NUC that I force install the latest version on as the software for my comms unit on my crash helmet only works on Windows. I do tend to let it use an online account when doing a fresh install but as soon as that's done I make a local account and delete the online one. It's a poor workaround that shouldn't be necessary but as the NUC is only switched on to do updates to the comms unit it doesn't bother me too much and I still uninstall as much crapware as possible from the base install.
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There is a way to make local account from fresh windows via command line. I did it not long ago. But it is annoying having to do it.
 
The whole online account thing has always been a non-issue, it will remain a trivial one going forwards as there has always been methods to bypass it very easily for those doing a fresh install etc.

I knew of the process even though I never needed to do a thing as my install always had a local account anyway and I then later linked my MS account to my local account so now my Windows account is online I suppose, but that's fine as a lot of settings and features are backed up to my account now and synchronised across devices running Win 11. That's an improvement far as I'm concerned as there's now less work for me to do to have the same experience across computers. I have service accounts that are local which can be created at any time through local users and groups, so even if you just signed in the first time, you could always create a local account and leave the MS account logon dormant as a backup admin account should it ever be needed or something. Either way these processes aren't time consuming.

Yes MS will change the requirements each time no doubt, but then again the workarounds will also get updated like they always do for those that still do want to use a local account.
 
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mrk said:
The whole online account thing has always been a non-issue, it will remain a trivial one going forwards as there has always been methods to bypass it very easily for those doing a fresh install etc.
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What you seem to be missing is why such a thing is even necessary to begin with, and of course if or when MS decide to remove that work around then what.

It's pretty obvious you're a Windows evangelist but to pretend that the direction Windows is heading is nothing new, that every single version after 98 underwent this same, when some journalists who used to be most favourable to Windows are often reporting on how bad Windows is getting kind of comes across as sticking your head in the sand.

And it's not people moaning as you put it, it's people wanting to see improvements, it's people pointing out what are obvious issues.
 
I say it like I see it, I don't care what MS do, I have Zorin OS on other computers I use and could use that OS if push came to shove. I just don't see it being the big issuie people make out as we have seen these things being said for years so no, it is not anything new.

I think some seem to forget that some of us lived through all of the early years in our prime.
 
mrk said:
See, it's TNA that just doesn't listen :p
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Nope. It is you ;)

You are stubborn as hell. Just like Hogwarts. You eventually saw the light and conceded. Not long after upgraded to a 16:9 4K monitor too :cry:

Was satisfying seeing mr ultrawide is life doing that :D
 
No I am just firm in my view and this will not change on this one.

Are you going back to whataboutisms again @TNA :D? I was and still am ultrawide, I still own my 5th 34" on another machine and will have a 39" like I said from day 1, when they are available with 240Hz QD-OLED with at least 4k, I am not sure why your memory is so short, might want to check your task manager for nasties because you keep coming back to the ultrawide material randomly.

I don't remember the Hogwarts thing what was it? I reinstall it from time to time to see if they actually fixed the frequent stuttering, they have not, I then uninstall it and remind you on the other thread that it's still trash lol.
 
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mrk said:
No I am just firm in my view and this will not change on this one.

Are you going back to whataboutisms again @TNA :D? I was and still am ultrawide, I still own my 5th 34" on another machine and will have a 39" like I said from day 1, when they are available with 240Hz QD-OLED with at least 4k, I am not sure why your memory is so short, might want to check your task manager for nasties because you keep coming back to the ultrawide material randomly.

I don't remember the Hogwarts thing what was it? I reinstall it from time to time to see if they actually fixed the frequent stuttering, they have not, I then uninstall it and remind you on the other thread that it's still trash lol.
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mrk said:
I say it like I see it, I don't care what MS do, I have Zorin OS on other computers I use and could use that OS if push came to shove. I just don't see it being the big issuie people make out as we have seen these things being said for years so no, it is not anything new.
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But you clearly care that people are, as you put it, moaning about the direction that Windows is heading.

I have to say i don't recall people saying that they were fed up with AI being forced into Windows, advertisements, bloatware, constant changes, data collection, and poor quality, poorly documented updates being talked about much with any of the versions before 8-11 came along. Maybe you could point me in the direction of where we saw these things being said years ago.
 
Murphy said:
I have to say i don't recall people saying that they were fed up with AI being forced into Windows
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This is my main reason why I have stayed on 23H2 and now installed bazzite to test. For me personally I've not used Windows in about a month but I have to use it for work.
 
TNA said:
There is a way to make local account from fresh windows via command line. I did it not long ago. But it is annoying having to do it.
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Yes, I am aware of that and have used it in the past, but the reason I do it the other way is that when trying to activate the digital licence it always forces me to use my Microsoft account anyway and force converts the local account to a Microsoft one as there's no option (that I've seen) to activate with my Microsoft credentials without it doing that. I figure just let it do it for the activation immediately after installing, then create a local account and bin the Microsoft login and carry on installing and configuring the system with the local account.
 
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Rroff said:
Annoys me that you need to use third party software to make Windows updates behave - all I want is timely and low disruption deployment of critical security updates and the ability to properly and fully defer all other updates to a time that is convenient for me and be easily able to avoid problem updates.

The other day I had Windows pull me out of a fullscreen game twice, once with spinning blue circle cursor, and then I found it was doing background prep for upcoming updates... which "shouldn't" happen never mind it should not happen at all. I try to avoid taking the nuclear option to updates but it is becoming increasingly necessary if you actually want to use your PC for anything other than light desktop tasks.
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Sometimes it can be certain update features that can, if recognised as being the cause of a problem, prevent a previously working system to a non-functioning one. Some of those are not necessarily feature updates, that can be deferred using a third party utility, but considered a security update and caution should be applied, by deferring those.
One update in particular is KB5065426.
Another being KB5064081. Possible problem that can cause that is when two identically cloned machines have the same SID, or so a thought prevails. Something changing during the authentication process.
For me it is not as bad, in some ways, as when my network goes fubar, I now just look to see what update has applied. What to do about resolving that is another thing though.
My Windows is version 24h2 26100.4946............................a number of those going beyond 4946 are having home networking issues, some restoring back to previous builds to get them working again.

Maybe I, and others, should be better informed when updates are rolled out, or better still the OS should be more able to guide the user the problem and a possible solution.
In a very basic way, when I "see" network PC that cannot be found when trying to open it within the Network sharing centre, and I click to diagnose, how helpful is it to be told that function is being retired and can no longer offer help, not that it was particularly useful, apart from removing a manually assigned IP / Gateway etc....
 
Wish they'd hurry up and deploy a stable image with the new Start Menu, and that it is actually good. About the only thing I'm actually interested in with upcoming changes.
 
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