Yes but for the purposes of this, the paper passport is irrelevant. Biometric MFA is more secure but can also be socially engineered as I said above (bad actor logs into something, MFA prompt appears on real persons phone, person blindly accepts it because they are conditioned to stick their thumb on the phone when the request appears. Bad actor is now into the system owning all your bases.
Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***
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Ah another great divisive issue to get the British public once again frothing and taking chunks out of each other. It is what it is, cest la vie. Or whatever.
The illegal migration issue is being used to coerce people into digital ID cards meanwhile successive goverments in the past caused this problem in the first place, promised every election cycle to do something about it but never do anything now want people to trust them as they do something for realz this time just let us have digital ID's. 
Meanwhile the same old tired if one have nothing to hide then one has nothing to worry about crowd are out in force while they post under the privacy of an allias/pseudonym.
Meanwhile the same old tired if one have nothing to hide then one has nothing to worry about crowd are out in force while they post under the privacy of an allias/pseudonym.
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My point wasn't about using MFA, but when so much of your activities are increasingly going to become dependant on one government ID protected by MFA if you lose access to that authentication for some reason it will be a massive problem.
I think it's because, as a nation, we've banged on and on about the war and needing to see papers.
Kind of sticks on your mind.
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Was this in the labour manifesto? Isnt this something that should be to a public vote?.
If labour MP contituents are in the majoroty against this will they vote against it in parliament
If labour MP contituents are in the majoroty against this will they vote against it in parliament
A little reminder that the government weren't able to keep a list of Afghanistan helpers secret, managed to accidentally leak it, and then put in place a super injunction to prevent the public finding out their incompetence. Put in place by the Tories and continued by Labour. What hope for a critical mandatory central ID.
I don't trust either of them.
I don't trust either of them.
Ah yes but it will be super secret double encrypted this time with triple safeguards in place.
Nothing is secret after digital. At one time you had to find a deceased youth at Somerset house, apply for their birth certificate then passport and other documents. You were then good to travel with a degree of anonymity.
I presume all of the people so vehemently against this have gone out of their way to not have any social media presence, don't drive, don't have a passport, pay for everything in cash with money they've earned cash-in-hand so as to avoid having a bank account and definitely don't have a Tesco Clubcard? Oh and no NI number. Right? Absolutely definitely no Government Gateway login either...
The whole lot is already digital anyway, its just a pain in the backside having to go to different places for different things when it really ought to be linked already. There is no good reason why we should have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of licencing you to drive while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of allowing you to travel internationally while we also have an entire government system dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of managing your healthcare while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of maintaining your criminal record (should you have one) while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of keeping records of your birth and death while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of taxation. The list of parallel systems is huge - if you are a pilot, if you have a drone, if you own firearms, if you have a television, if you have a powerful radio, if you're a company director. I am sure there are many more. All digital already, all duplicated massively.
It should never have been allowed to be such a mess in the first place let alone fighting to maintain it as the status quo. If there are to be records at all then we should have a record created at birth and in which ALL pertinent governance-related data is maintained until an appropriate amount of time after your death. To not do this is costing the UK taxpayer many, many billions every year.
The whole lot is already digital anyway, its just a pain in the backside having to go to different places for different things when it really ought to be linked already. There is no good reason why we should have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of licencing you to drive while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of allowing you to travel internationally while we also have an entire government system dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of managing your healthcare while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of maintaining your criminal record (should you have one) while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of keeping records of your birth and death while we also have an entire government organisation dedicated to maintaining records of your identity for the purposes of taxation. The list of parallel systems is huge - if you are a pilot, if you have a drone, if you own firearms, if you have a television, if you have a powerful radio, if you're a company director. I am sure there are many more. All digital already, all duplicated massively.
It should never have been allowed to be such a mess in the first place let alone fighting to maintain it as the status quo. If there are to be records at all then we should have a record created at birth and in which ALL pertinent governance-related data is maintained until an appropriate amount of time after your death. To not do this is costing the UK taxpayer many, many billions every year.
Having lots of different forms of ID isn’t the same thing as one compulsory digital ID. A driving licence doesn’t get me into my bank, my NI number doesn’t decide if I can see a doctor, and my passport isn’t tied to my shopping habits.
It’s not deliberate — just the result of poor coordination between departments — but that mess has acted as protection. No single system today can be used to control and monitor every part of your life.
Collapse it all into one ID and you’ve basically built the perfect control switch. Once it exists, it can be linked to anything: finance, healthcare, travel, the list goes on.
And if you’ve ever worked on building APIs or integrating systems, you’ll know that once there’s a single central identifier, linking everything together becomes trivial. What used to be messy and difficult suddenly becomes seamless — and that’s exactly the danger.
On the other hand, that's exactly the benefit.
They spend COLOSSAL amounts of money maintaining records. All duplicated many many times. I know this from first hand experience, I used to work building and maintaining them.
Centralise it all, remove the duplication, remove the need for inter-agency nonsense. Save a boatload of money, deliver better services for everyone by default.
No, but with the existing implementations I have a choice (mostly) as to how much data I give them and what I'm using it for, the approach with one central ID will take a lot of that control out of my hands as it is increasingly used "required" for more and more things.
