Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

[EGuitarStar]

It's the way the World is heading, to be frank there are numerous other countries who have digital IDs (Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands and India to name a few) I don't see too much of an issue here.

My partner is Polish and she has had an ID card for more than a decade, she can use this to travel with and not need to carry her passport, EU countries only.

It'll cost money and take time to implement but ultimately it'll benefit various government agencies and may help to reduce crime, benefit fraud, work fraud, etc....

Hey, some of us want the government to stops the boats, stop illegal working, stop benefit fraud, I guess we'll get all of this soon, embrace the digital ID card to stop the boats.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Won't stop illegal working because these people already avoid the regular checks, lack of enforcement is the issue.

It’s not going to reduce or stop ‘illegal work’ by illegal immigrants — that’s almost always cash-in-hand, so a digital ID makes no difference at all. Which begs the question: why is it really being introduced?

Can't answer that without going into general politics!

I don't get why people keep on creating these petitions though, It changes nothing. They simply shut it down when debated in an empty parliament...its actually embarrassing just how empty it is when they have these debates.

They don't understand petitions anyhow the purpose is to get the subject raised in parliament... but its already in parliament raising a petition isn't going to change govt policy like they think it will.

 

[Armageus]

I don't get why people keep on creating these petitions though, It changes nothing. They simply shut it down when debated in an empty parliament...its actually embarrassing just how empty it is when they have these debates.

What other public record of disagreement is there though?

 

[VincentHanna]

It's the way the World is heading, to be frank there are numerous other countries who have digital IDs (Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands and India to name a few) I don't see too much of an issue here.

My partner is Polish and she has had an ID card for more than a decade, she can use this to travel with and not need to carry her passport, EU countries only.

It'll cost money and take time to implement but ultimately it'll benefit various government agencies and may help to reduce crime, benefit fraud, work fraud, etc....

Hey, some of want the government to stops the boats, stop illegal working, stop benefit fraud, I guess we'll get all of this soon.

Benefit fraud does cost a lot more than illegal migration, I'd be happy to see a crackdown on that

Would a digital ID help though?

 

[Raymond Lin]

It's the way the World is heading, to be frank there are numerous other countries who have digital IDs (Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands and India to name a few) I don't see too much of an issue here.

My partner is Polish and she has had an ID card for more than a decade, she can use this to travel with and not need to carry her passport, EU countries only.

It'll cost money and take time to implement but ultimately it'll benefit various government agencies and may help to reduce crime, benefit fraud, work fraud, etc....

Hey, some of us want the government to stops the boats, stop illegal working, stop benefit fraud, I guess we'll get all of this soon, embrace the digital ID card to stop the boats.

I too have an ID card, a physical one, since I was a child....Hong Kong. I can use it to enter Hong Kong at the machine at the airport, use it to open bank accounts etc

I am not technically against the idea, but the pre-text...it's BS. They are using immigration as a pre-text because they know it gets more support from the right. That's the reason.

 

[~>Dg<~]

I would say it's for anyone legally entitled to be here in the UK.
Gig economy? If you pay tax you should be on the system?

the whole point of this is the people who come as migrants wont do it anyway and will work for cash. they know this. this is just to keep a eye on you. not the actual illegals coming into the country thats just the con to sell it to you.

 

[EGuitarStar]

I too have an ID card, a physical one, since I was a child....Hong Kong. I can use it to enter Hong Kong at the machine at the airport, use it to open bank accounts etc

I am not technically against the idea, but the pre-text...it's BS. They are using immigration as a pre-text because they know it gets more support from the right. That's the reason.

I agree their reasons for this is somewhat questionable but ultimately it'll benefit government agencies keeping tabs on "questionable" citizens and making sure that busines owners can't turn a blind eye on illegal workers or make excuses that they did their due diligence but something went wrong.

 

[~>Dg<~]

I agree their reasons for this is somewhat questionable but ultimately it'll benefit government agencies keeping tabs on "questionable" citizens.

it wont at all because the questionable people wont have them . think logically a person comes in to cause terrorism. you think that person is going to get a card with all his her details ? of course not.

 

[EGuitarStar]

it wont at all because the questionable people wont have them . think logically a person comes in to cause terrorism. you think that person is going to get a card with all his her details ? of course not.

They'll be easier to find as they won't be able to get a home, a job, a bank account, benefits etc... because they don't have a digital ID.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Benefit fraud does cost a lot more than illegal migration, I'd be happy to see a crackdown on that

Would a digital ID help though?

Yes, a lot of benefit fraud is by overseas (and domestic) organised criminals using stolen/forced documents/identities to claim U.K. welfare payments.

 

[~>Dg<~]

They'll be easier to find as they won't be able to get a home, a job, benefits etc... because they don't have a digital ID.

you living in a dream world lol. how you think they do it now ? most work for cash pay by cash to slumlords. wont make any difference and they will be off the grid. if they not supposed to be here why would it make it easier ? they will just be hidden as normal. 750000 has come to the uk in the last year alone.

 

[Glaston]

Just think that the law abiding people will end up inconvenienced and likely screwed by hacks/failures/leaks and those who are criminals will just get away with anything by ignoring it all.

Just brings to mind. 2018 I buy a car from the biggest local car dealer in my town. They will only accept a bank transfer as payment.
My Bank NW, in Branch it takes me over an hour to go through all the paper work. It takes 3 bank employees to OK the payment from my Account. All this to do with the likelihood of Fraud/Money laundering.

Then read about the cash deposits that NW was accepting from some jewellery dealer up North, literally millions in bin bags of cash just accepted, no checks done.

We already have rules on requiring ID upon employment ( that is often bypassed/ignored) Can't remember the figures but the amount of Nat Insurance numbers in circulation is way more than the population.
We already have rules on requiring ID upon renting property (often bypassed/ignored)
We already have NHS numbers that should be required for treatment and if you dont have a number you should pay.

 

[Freefaller]

I think if the gov could be trusted to roll it out properly and consolidate some of the departments, improve efficiencies, reduce duplication and errors, and get rid of the pen pushers to save us, the tax payers £bn, and they can prove it I think people wouldn't be so against it?

I just have no trust in gov depts doing anything right, cost effectively and well. I've had my fingers burned so many times in central gov roles and the inefficiencies I've seen and the amount of crap I've seen I just do not trust them to deliver this well at all sadly.

There are many pros for the id card as I mentioned before, but if it's going to cost more than we're going to benefit, then I'm not interested.

 

[Uther]

I reckon some of the people against it are really gonna lose their **** when they get their fingerprints taken on their 2 week holiday to Benidorm.

 

[Fubsy]

Can people stop calling this an ID card?

It's not. It's a digital ID that initially will be your photo, DoB, citizenship, sex.. There is nothing that I have seen or heard so far that has said that this is all that will be recorded forever.

A passport is a ID card, it serves a singluar purpose of proving who you are, age and citizenship.
A digital ID can, and likely will be, more than that. Being sold to us as single item, when in reality it will end up being anything and everything.

 

[EGuitarStar]

you living in a dream world lol. how you think they do it now ? most work for cash pay by cash to slumlords. wont make any difference and they will be off the grid. if they not supposed to be here why would it make it easier ? they will just be hidden as normal. 750000 has come to the uk in the last year alone.

How did you get that figure of 750000 if they are hidden, superpowers?

"most work for cash pay by cash to slumlords" this is what it intends to stop.

You want to stop illegal immigrants, terrorists, benefit fraudsters etc.... but anything the government do is not enough. What do you suggest?

 

[~>Dg<~]

How did you get that figure of 750000 if they are hidden, superpowers?

You want to stop illegal immigrants, terrorists, benefit fraudsters etc.... but anything the government do is not enough. What do you suggest?

lol its been reported for ages. they know exactly how many are coming in. the goverment wants them to come in. they give them money put them up in hotels. hotels are ran by the same groups who want them in. then if they do get deported they get a £2000 check. lol. it was shown the other day on the plane of deportees. the people giving them 2000 quid. what you think they will do land then come back get some more spending money. rich money are just exploting it getting even richer. its a joke.

what we need is just someone like trump who just says no none of this bs. you get nothing you gone you dont come in. look after our own nation first. they could stop literally most of the boats coming over the water we have one of the best navys in the world they literally watch them come in daily and welcome them. its just wrong on so many levels. britain will explode in the next few years. its really going down the toilet and people arent going to take it.

 

[EGuitarStar]

Ahhhh and there it is. Has Trump stopped immigrants from coming into the US?

 

[grudas]

I think if the gov could be trusted to roll it out properly and consolidate some of the departments, improve efficiencies, reduce duplication and errors, and get rid of the pen pushers to save us, the tax payers £bn, and they can prove it I think people wouldn't be so against it?

I just have no trust in gov depts doing anything right, cost effectively and well. I've had my fingers burned so many times in central gov roles and the inefficiencies I've seen and the amount of crap I've seen I just do not trust them to deliver this well at all sadly.

There are many pros for the id card as I mentioned before, but if it's going to cost more than we're going to benefit, then I'm not interested.

There’s basically this. The digital ID is a non issue. Only people who have problems with it are the same people that have problems with everything.

The implementation is the only thing that genuinely worries me. UK really manages to mess things up.

All in. I’ll be very surprised if this isn’t another pile of poo with terrible implementation .

Or it’ll end up being a very basic thing of nothing that sits on your phone and can be produced when required.

The stuff I currently deal with as someone with settled status but EU passport, I’m often required to generate “share” codes to prove my status in the country. But that’s about it, dumb simple system that will probably end up applying to everyone living and working here and may well end up piggybacking off the system I currently have to use.

 

[Chojin]

I think it's one step closer to a totalitarian state. Salami slicing tactics towards the film Equilibrium.

The more systems that are tied together just means more control for the state.

If the digital id is linked to payment methods, then there may be a future that imposes restrictions on what you can do at what time of day etc.

Or like China where you get fined for "micro transgressions" such as jaywalking and the money comes straight out of your bank account.

Preventing illegal immigrants is just a ruse.