Does something need to be done about dogs?

[sidimmu]

So that's the reason you took me off ignore

You've never made it off ignore and never will.
You can't get me out of your head, it's evident.
It's hilarious.
I take up that much space in your mind, still to this day

And the facts & stats haven't changed - Leaving any breed alone with a young child can, and on over a dozens occasions did, result in death.

That's not the point you have been arguing though, so why trying to change goal posts, oh to look better in this? Need your internet points? Lol pathetic.
No mention of how many didn't die under the same circumstances, take off the whiteface makeup.

 

[413x]

Surely over the next decade these dogs will all die off. And if rules are followed they shouldn't be around anymore?

 

[arknor]

Shock as public area not perfectly clear for cyclist.

shock as dog supposed to be on lead.

 

[BUDFORCE]

You compare the amount of injuries and deaths caused by dogs vs legal firearms.

I'll save you the trouble it basically doesn't happen with the later.

Yet the amount of hoops you need to jump through to get a firearms license compared to any bell end getting hold of a potential dangerous dog.

 

[ttaskmaster]

Surely over the next decade these dogs will all die off. And if rules are followed they shouldn't be around anymore?

The same was said when they banned Pit Bull types, yet 34 years later thousands of new ones are still being added to the exemption register every year.

The rules aren't followed. The rules often aren't even enforced, either.

You've never made it off ignore and never will.

So who are you talking to right now, then?

That's not the point you have been arguing though

What, responsible ownership and the lack of?
That's been a fundamental premise of this whole thread from Day One.

No mention of how many didn't die under the same circumstances

No exact statistics available, but a Dogs Trust survey reports that 91% of dog bites to children under 14 years are from dogs known to the children in the home.
So of the average 16-19,000 reported cases, there will be a notable percentage resulting from dogs unsupervised around kids.

"Further research shows that dog bites in the home are often preceded by what can be seen as harmless interactions, such as children cuddling, hugging, brushing or kissing the dog.
The survey found:

• 85% of parents leave their children and dogs together unsupervised
• 55% said they did it fairly or very often
• 23% said they'd seen their dog act in a way around children that caused them concern
• 25% kept children and dogs apart in separate rooms."

Either way, it's not good parenting and it's not responsible ownership. Every single childcare site and every dog site will tell you not to leave your kid alone with a dog... because this is what happens.

 

[mattyfez]

As has been said multiple times before... There's more than one factor involved in dog attacks.

1)Irresponsible owners.
2)breeds bred specifically to be fighting /attack dogs.

Put both of those together and it's like a multiplier... we get far more attacks and deaths.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Regardless of other views this stat is shocking asking for trouble in my humble opinion

• 85% of parents leave their children and dogs together unsupervised

 

[fez]

Regardless of other views this stat is shocking asking for trouble in my humble opinion

• 85% of parents leave their children and dogs together unsupervised

The other 15% are lying. Everyone does it. You cannot tell me that as a dog owner and parent you haven't left your kids in the room alone with the dog. Perhaps if you have very young children but as soon as they are a bit older and you don't have to generally worry about them so much parents are always leaving their kids alone as they go and do stuff. Put the washing away. Hang washing outside, cook, clean, toilet, tidy etc.

 

[tonys]

The other 15% are lying. Everyone does it. You cannot tell me that as a dog owner and parent you haven't left your kids in the room alone with the dog. Perhaps if you have very young children but as soon as they are a bit older and you don't have to generally worry about them so much parents are always leaving their kids alone as they go and do stuff. Put the washing away. Hang washing outside, cook, clean, toilet, tidy etc.

Although our 8yr old granddaughter did grow up with our dog, she came along after him, so I think he sees her as below him in the pecking order. Even though he is placid he didn't like her touching his tail when she was younger but is better now that she's a lot bigger and is better at interacting with him.
Yes, we have left them together but not when she was smaller. We are now introducing the 8mth old grandson to him, they will not be left alone though.

 

[Rroff]

As has been said multiple times before... There's more than one factor involved in dog attacks.

1)Irresponsible owners.
2)breeds bred specifically to be fighting /attack dogs.

Put both of those together and it's like a multiplier... we get far more attacks and deaths.

Almost every instance I know of involves irresponsible owners.

I think I've mentioned it before but a girl I knew as a kid had her face chewed up pretty bad by her grandparent's dog and everyone had warned them but they wouldn't listen - absolutely refused to believe their darling was a threat but everyone else could see the dog didn't like the girl for some reason, they left her, can't remember her age but she was like 3 or 4 or something, alone with the dog and were lucky it didn't kill her. Fortunately she was young enough that with time it hasn't left her permanently disfigured.

 

[mattyfez]

Almost every instance I know of involves irresponsible owners.

I think I've mentioned it before but a girl I knew as a kid had her face chewed up pretty bad by her grandparent's dog and everyone had warned them but they wouldn't listen - absolutely refused to believe their darling was a threat but everyone else could see the dog didn't like the girl for some reason, they left her, can't remember her age but she was like 3 or 4 or something, alone with the dog and were lucky it didn't kill her. Fortunately she was young enough that with time it hasn't left her permanently disfigured.

Sure, but what breed was it this though? I'll bet you a million it wasn't a yorkie or a golden retriver!

Bad breed plus ******* owners = disaster.

It's just basic logic.

 

[Rroff]

Sure, but what breed was it this though? I'll bet you a million it wasn't a yorkie or a golden retriver!

Bad breed plus ******* owners = disaster.

I can't remember breed now, possibly Staffie, though I played with the dog a bit I only have vague memories of it.

 

[mattyfez]

Staffie

oh what a supprise! /sarcasm

 

[Rroff]

oh what a supprise! /sarcasm

It was 40 years ago I barely remember the dog, they had an Alsatian after that which I do remember as the poor thing used to come and sit beside me in the pub to avoid being molested by the half-drunk regulars.

 

[Dis86]

It was 40 years ago I barely remember the dog, they had an Alsatian after that which I do remember as the poor thing used to come and sit beside me in the pub to avoid being molested by the half-drunk regulars.

I just can't help but chuckle every time I see your username in this thread.

 

[ttaskmaster]

You cannot tell me that as a dog owner and parent you haven't left your kids in the room alone with the dog.

I can indeed tell you this. I can also tell you that my parents never left us alone with their dogs, either - It's a lesson I took to heart.

Thing is, you can always trust dogs to behave like dogs - As adults we can understand how to behave appropriately around them. We know what will upset them, but kids don't have that so we keep them secured or supervised until they're capable of behaving appropriately.

 

[fez]

I can indeed tell you this. I can also tell you that my parents never left us alone with their dogs, either - It's a lesson I took to heart.

Thing is, you can always trust dogs to behave like dogs - As adults we can understand how to behave appropriately around them. We know what will upset them, but kids don't have that so we keep them secured or supervised until they're capable of behaving appropriately.

Your parents never left you alone with their dogs even for 2 minutes in your entire childhood?

 

[ttaskmaster]

Your parents never left you alone with their dogs even for 2 minutes in your entire childhood?

Nope, never. It was a golden rule.
Even though we had Samoyeds, reputed to be lovely wonderful dogs and all that, there had been enough stories about Rottie, GSD and Doberman attacks that they vowed never to leave us with the dogs around.

 

[fez]

Nope, never. It was a golden rule.
Even though we had Samoyeds, reputed to be lovely wonderful dogs and all that, there had been enough stories about Rottie, GSD and Doberman attacks that they vowed never to leave us with the dogs around.

Then you are the exception that proves the rule. I don't know anyone else who is that vigilent.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Denial of what?
Are you saying you think it's ever OK to leave a young child alone with any kind of dog?

No, but then I don't have concerns over my female springer spaniel with my nephews who are about 3-4 and 2. Spaniels are generally bred to be submissive and fearful and to be none aggressive dogs.

Certain XL Bully's were deliberately bred for aggression and certain XL bullies were bred to be none aggressive. It's a shame the none aggressive ones are tarred with the same brush as the aggressive ones.