Thanks.How hard did you have to concentrate to tell the difference?
And can you set certain playlists in Spotify for lossless and rest in 320k?
Spotify Hi-Fi lossless is (finally) here!
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And can you set certain playlists in Spotify for lossless and rest in 320k?
Depends entirely on the individual track, a lot of stuff is produced using 16bit/44.1KHz or lower quality samples with a fair bit of compression or processing along the way anyhow before it makes it into the "master" file. But if something has been recorded with a high end setup from real instruments, etc. you can tell.
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Don’t forget, file size and bit rate is borderline irrelevant if you’re listening to a track with little to no dynamic range - you can be reasonably confident anything which is a “remaster” will have low dynamic range.
Try this site to check: https://dr.loudness-war.info/
Try this site to check: https://dr.loudness-war.info/
Yup that's true lol. If you only listen to 90s hip hop for example you ain't gonna hear squat lol.
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ROFL ROFL ROFL.. I'll have to check as I have family account with 4 others bet I'm the last one to get it as well gonna check daughters now...
I tried today to compare Lossless against the Low setting, which is a best case scenario in terms of trying to find a difference.
It's so hard lol. I don't have any high end headphones or earphones atm to test, so I just used some desktop speakers and it's difficult to tell any difference. I did eventually spot a difference but I had to pick a track that had some higher frequencies and a wide range and then I noticed that at certain parts of the song, certain instruments were clearer than with the Low setting and certain higher frequency sounds sounded louder than on the Low setting
Which is nice and all, but 95% of songs on my spotify play list are bass heavy bangers with low ranges
It's so hard lol. I don't have any high end headphones or earphones atm to test, so I just used some desktop speakers and it's difficult to tell any difference. I did eventually spot a difference but I had to pick a track that had some higher frequencies and a wide range and then I noticed that at certain parts of the song, certain instruments were clearer than with the Low setting and certain higher frequency sounds sounded louder than on the Low setting
Which is nice and all, but 95% of songs on my spotify play list are bass heavy bangers with low ranges
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signed up for a new trial to compare with Tidal -
google suggesting it would be using 1GB / hour versus the 250MB odd I had seen looking at old lebarara tidal records corresponding to car (car play) journeys I'd taken
my mobile data limit would be quickly exceeded if that is true - we'll see
I agree, other than at home with loudspeakers it wouldn't be an issue.
google suggesting it would be using 1GB / hour versus the 250MB odd I had seen looking at old lebarara tidal records corresponding to car (car play) journeys I'd taken
my mobile data limit would be quickly exceeded if that is true - we'll see
reducing dynamic range is still stripping bits though (like I contend normalization does) - unless you pass the original bitstream to the amplifier and a separate level/volume parameter. ?
I agree, other than at home with loudspeakers it wouldn't be an issue.
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Reduced dynamic range does not strip bits.
Normalization is simply changing volume, you turning your music up or down does not add or remove bits.
And sadly Spotify cannot pass an original bitstream per se, it cannot run bit perfect, so is adulterated by Windows, Apple, Android.
Anyway, turns out that the music from Spotify Lossless is not Lossless as Tidal and Qobuz are.
Not sure if it is good enough to use over very high, need to try and listen to a few more recordings myself. Most of the stuff so far has been remastered by a kid on dope with all levels set to max.
Edit, I should add I myself am thinking of dropping the Spotify Family plan I currently use and may go with Tidal or Qobuz, my only concern is library size. I never realized Tidal was now cheaper than Spotify!
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I got lossless this morning when I checked, but plugging my laptop directly into my amp using a headphone cable, the same cable used to go into a Bluetooth receiver, I'm getting errors telling me Spotify cant play that track.
Not had time to play around yet to work out why its doing that. YouTube audio does work so I assume it's Spotify specific.
Not had time to play around yet to work out why its doing that. YouTube audio does work so I assume it's Spotify specific.
got it as well, deleted all my existing downloaded songs and did it again to get the higher quality version. Using man math, if my existing phone doesn't have enough space to hold the larger files then that's a good reason to buy a new phone with more storage.
Yeah I'll be ok on storage, but yeah I cleared all cache, downloads everything and just downloading to phone again all my good play lists gonna take a while I think even on 1g internet... as the phones storage ain't a PC lol
very high quality / lossless, seems to be 380kb/s of network traffic on a windows PC - not as high as I expected, will have to compare with high quality tomorrow, or newer albums than 2000's verve/pulp I listened to excerpts from.
4hrs worth of very high downloads show a disk space equivalent to 320Kb/s = 560MB
- the drugs don't work.
4hrs worth of very high downloads show a disk space equivalent to 320Kb/s = 560MB
- the drugs don't work.
Have the options on the mobile app but not the desktop application for some reason which is a pain as I wanted to try it on my PC LOL.
EDIT: Actually I do have the option but my desktop application is doing something weird where most times when I click on the quality menu it shows a plain text list from auto to very high, but occasionally, shows a detailed list with bitrates and includes lossless.
EDIT2: A bit hard to A B test, unless you do lower quality first, as Spotify caches the tracks in lossless, but there does seem to be some improvements to lower bass with lossless, and an overall very slight increase to the overall punchiness.
EDIT: Actually I do have the option but my desktop application is doing something weird where most times when I click on the quality menu it shows a plain text list from auto to very high, but occasionally, shows a detailed list with bitrates and includes lossless.
EDIT2: A bit hard to A B test, unless you do lower quality first, as Spotify caches the tracks in lossless, but there does seem to be some improvements to lower bass with lossless, and an overall very slight increase to the overall punchiness.
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320kbps is very high quality.
Lossless is another toggle below that and is eating far more data from my initial looks.
Well did a like for like (London Grammer larger difference due to the production values I expect) and a a bit more chilled (Enya Dark Skye Island) and I can tell the difference in the living room setup on lossless... BUT is it like WOW factor no but then I never ecpected it to be... yes it's more open and you get a better sound (whatever better is), however it's why 320 MP3's were the defacto for so long because actually they gave a solid sound... so am I glad I've now got it, deffo as there's a deffo uptick (which you notice more on certai music obviously)... but is it a game changer ? No, but then again never thought it would be. So all in, great addition and I prefer to have it for all the music I don't own on CD which is a perfect. Streaming IMHO isn't a replacement for physical, I really have always said (and same for films), top quality streaming and physical media can live together nicely. Nothing will stop me buying vinyl and CD's (and Bluray's/4k), however at least we now have the choice.
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