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Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?
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What did they save by getting rid of the dinners ladies?
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Amusingly they are part of the leadership team as well.
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I don't think that has actually been reported by anyone reliable, it's just speculation.
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Can't disagree with this. I hoped Ruben was the coach we needed but to keep saying after every match that he won't change the formation is getting really painful now. If we were winning games using his formation but the fans wanted a traditional formation he'd be well within his rights to say no then. But when we keep losing, something needs to change otherwise Utd will surely have no option but to get rid. The only problem is then who? And how long does the new coach get? Are the current Utd players too suited for Ruben's formation that a new coach would want to sell half the squad to get players to suit THEIR formation? How many transfers would it take, according to the club, to get the coach's squad the way they want it?!
He'll get the Sunderland game - if they loose that - he's gone.
Assuming he survives that - Liverpool game is a free hit as they are probably expected to loose that anyway, unless they get battered. Then Brighton.
3 games in October - Wonder when the last time United only had 3 games in October in a season...???
If nothing changes/improves etc - I think he's gone. He's made it totally clear - there is NO plan B.... no other formation etc.
Who's next - Utterly no idea....
Southgate is the "safe" option in the eyes of the board probably... In the eyes of the fans - absolutely not
Glasner/Emery probably options as well.
Assuming he survives that - Liverpool game is a free hit as they are probably expected to loose that anyway, unless they get battered. Then Brighton.
3 games in October - Wonder when the last time United only had 3 games in October in a season...???
If nothing changes/improves etc - I think he's gone. He's made it totally clear - there is NO plan B.... no other formation etc.
Who's next - Utterly no idea....
Southgate is the "safe" option in the eyes of the board probably... In the eyes of the fans - absolutely not
Glasner/Emery probably options as well.
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The fact that there's even a debate over Amorim's future I find genuinely bizarre. People can argue about systems, the squad, the owners & DoF as much as they want, Utd have picked up 34 points from their last 33 games! That's not a bad spell. That's nearly an entire seasons worth of football at basically a point per game. Forget one of the biggest sides in the world, Everton on their absolute knees sack managers with that record. Pretty much every established PL side would sack their manager in those circumstances.
I'm not sure if it's desperation on the board/Ratcliffe's part, hoping he can turn things around or Ratcliffe & co not wanting to admit that they messed up with his appointment, having made a pigs ear of both the ETH & Ashworth situations last summer but one thing is clear and that's after nearly 12 months in, Amorim has not shown anything to justify him still being in the job.
I'm not sure if it's desperation on the board/Ratcliffe's part, hoping he can turn things around or Ratcliffe & co not wanting to admit that they messed up with his appointment, having made a pigs ear of both the ETH & Ashworth situations last summer but one thing is clear and that's after nearly 12 months in, Amorim has not shown anything to justify him still being in the job.
I think the formation thing is an easy stick to beat him with. I've said this since the start with him, it's his inability or refusal to try something different. To see whats not working and to tweak it or change it like every other manager would to take advantage of the opposition or to stop your side being exploited and a little bit harder to beat.
You see him all too often staring at the floor in the dugout before bringing on Maguire and sticking him up front. There is clearly a disconnection between the players he wants / needs and the players he is getting / not getting rid of. Bruno has been their standout best player for years and hes not even attempting to get the best from him. He's cast 100's of millions worth of talent aside in Sancho, Antony and Rashford while turning a kid that started in centre midfield in the Euro final for England a little over 12 months ago into an absolute shadow of himself.
The bloke is a fraud and he's not only making them a worse team, his player management tactics are costing the club a fortune too. Does seem like a nice fella though!
You see him all too often staring at the floor in the dugout before bringing on Maguire and sticking him up front. There is clearly a disconnection between the players he wants / needs and the players he is getting / not getting rid of. Bruno has been their standout best player for years and hes not even attempting to get the best from him. He's cast 100's of millions worth of talent aside in Sancho, Antony and Rashford while turning a kid that started in centre midfield in the Euro final for England a little over 12 months ago into an absolute shadow of himself.
The bloke is a fraud and he's not only making them a worse team, his player management tactics are costing the club a fortune too. Does seem like a nice fella though!
How many times has Pep changed or at least tweaked his footballing philosophy since he's been at Man City? I'd argue half a dozen times.
Amorim being wed to his formation and openly admitting he's not going to change is the definition of insanity, as they say.
It's not really as if his system is absolutely proven, a few trophies in Portugal isn't an amazing body of work.
Amorim being wed to his formation and openly admitting he's not going to change is the definition of insanity, as they say.
It's not really as if his system is absolutely proven, a few trophies in Portugal isn't an amazing body of work.
Oh I agree. They failed by not doing their due diligence on how inflexible he would be (although how would you do that?) and they failed by appointing a manager who realistically needed to rip up 70% of the squad to have even the type of players he needs.
Both the manager and management are very much to blame at this point.
Well if this is true ( which I doubt it is) it's probably the final nail in the coffin!
Telling the manager to change his formation probably going to go down like a lead ballon
I mean, its also madness. You don't ask your manager to try a specific formation. You can say "adapt or die" but "mate, we want you to play 4-3-3" isn't what you do. Thats the managers job and choice and you keep or sack the manager based on the job they are doing. Its up to them how they go about it.
We might beat him with another stick if there was another stick but he hasn't used any others. Thats part of the reason why!
Fwiw I don't agree with the whole 'change the formation' argument. Amorim was appointed knowing full well that this was the system he knows and plays. He wasn't some firefighter/pragmatist that makes the best of a bad situation with whatever the players available to him, he's somebody that has a clear way of playing and the club decided that he and that was what they wanted.
If you were a car manufacturer and you hired somebody to head up a team building a sports car based on their experience and expertise in building sports cars and the car they produced was terrible, you wouldn't then ask him to have a go at building an off roader instead. I didn't think Utd could be any worse than they were under ETH but Amorim has proven me wrong and he's done it while playing a system he 100% knows and understands. If you're at the point where you believe the system has to change before the results/performances can then you know that the appointment of Amorim has failed and he needs to go because his appointment and that system go hand in hand.
If you were a car manufacturer and you hired somebody to head up a team building a sports car based on their experience and expertise in building sports cars and the car they produced was terrible, you wouldn't then ask him to have a go at building an off roader instead. I didn't think Utd could be any worse than they were under ETH but Amorim has proven me wrong and he's done it while playing a system he 100% knows and understands. If you're at the point where you believe the system has to change before the results/performances can then you know that the appointment of Amorim has failed and he needs to go because his appointment and that system go hand in hand.
Of course you wouldn't but you also wouldn't hire someone who worked at Bugatti and then expect them to still work in exactly the same way when they are working at Peugeot on their sportscar. You would expect some level of flexibility and adaptation to the constraints of the new job.
As I said above, they made a mistake in hiring him for various reasons but his complete inflexibility on any part of the way we set up and play will still be surprising them. As opposition managers have openly said, "we know how they are going to play". In general, you don't say "well, its a 4-3-3 so we know exactly how they will play" because its just a loose framework. There is huge space in every formation for tweaking and variation. The fact he isn't showing that at all is part of the problem.
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Man Utd spent £1.65B NET on players since the Glazers took over. The only two clubs to have spent more in this time are Chelsea with £1.75B and Man City with £1.7B
Just how much more money did the club need to spend?
Man Utd have tried to buy the league and ended up buying 15th place.
The Glazers have backed every manager they have had....apart from David Moyes.
This in itself is a damning indictment of the Glazers. Throwing money at players without a plan or football structure has failed catastrophically.
I'm not sure, he's been crystal clear re his system and way of playing since day one from what I have seen and I struggle to believe that this would have been a shock to Utd. They surely done their due diligence on him and knew what they were getting. Appointing him has been a mistake regardless but if they appointed him thinking he was going to be something he's shown he's not in the past then it was an even bigger mistake.
And on the figures above, Utd have spent more than that. From 13/14 to 24/25 (this includes Cunha but none of their other business this summer gone) they've had a net spend of over £1.75bn.