Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

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Starmer was hardly convincing in his reasons for wanting it, and it could be said that he was straight up lying.
I doubt most people think it’ll make a jot of difference to deter illegal working.
 
visibleman said:
You're right but it doesn't make the person doing that comparative any less of a **** though :)
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Being a **** seems to be a desirable trait in the UK these days. :)

Edit: nvm, probably too political, suffice to say that while the holocaust comparison was maybe a little far if you're easily offended, there are definitely demographics in the UK who are disproportionally scapegoated for problems caused elsewhere, which certainly has echoes of historical events.
 
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JonRGV250 said:
I doubt most people think it’ll make a jot of difference to deter illegal working.
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Imo, i think the Government could make it a major deterrent but they would need to stop pandering to everyone, throw so real weight behind it and give it some teeth.

At the moment it seems a little wishy-washy in a few areas, no requirement to carry being one, but, that may change given it'll take a few years to spec out - i'll be surprised if they get anywhere near rolling it out before the next election.
 
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visibleman said:
Imo, i think the Government could make it a major deterrent but they would need to stop pandering to everyone, throw so real weight behind it and give it some teeth.
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They could quite easily, but they have zero desire or appetite to do so.
Far easier to label anyone and everyone a racist who dares to think any differently to what they're pushing, as the last two days have proven.

visibleman said:
At the moment it seems a little wishy-washy in a few areas, no requirement to carry being one, but, that may change given it'll take a few years to spec out -
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The whole thing is poorly thought out and rushed through, and quite obviously it's not doing them any favours whatsoever.

visibleman said:
i'll be surprised if they get anywhere near rolling it out before the next election.
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Yup, it's dead in the water already.
We're a tolerant bunch, but there's a limit.
 
Vexr said:
The only apolitical AAA+ Youtuber I know of addressing this exact topic.


Everyone should check out the rest of his content regarding the farce of the media and ONS in either manipulating or misreporting economic data to cover for this Labour government and the state of the UK economy.
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This video was absolutely incredible. Thank you for sharing it.

His final point kicks you in the teeth, "understand that once you willing give up your right to privacy, you can't undo it, it is never coming back."

However, given that (a) they tied it to immigration and (b) it breaks the UK ID Act 2010, anyone else feel like we're being distracted from a much more important agenda.
 
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People quite willingly gave up a right to privacy once they began googling around the internet. Before then you could quite easily stay in discrete groups of friends, work colleagues and relatives. Face to face, by landline phone or by letter.

As to breaking a 2010 act, governments can change acts easily while in power if they have the votes. No problem.
 
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Setting that video aside, I’m still perplexed as to why something akin to what most European countries implement as a form of identity cannot be introduced. I struggle to see how a digital ID is really any different from a physical card, especially considering that most disparate governmental databases are interconnected in some way. In either case, it makes no real difference to the black market as long as cash exists.

A cashless society will be the true slide into dystopia!
 
JonRGV250 said:
Anyone surprised?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973659687456252351
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What else are they going to call it? Nigel Nugget? Tice ****? Government Identity Token (GIT)?

Why not simply call it a GovernmentQuickAccess token. Then remove all the app gubbins and simply make it a fast universal way of accessing the existing systems.. no wait we already have the government gateway id (who thought of that one).

If the token isn't providing a challenge to the individual to prove their identity, then it's really nothing more than a fakeable passport as it trusts the phone security to keep the UK safe from all the small boats.. those same people don't have the funds for costly phones, so cheap compromised Chinese phones are needed..

First rule of security - just because someone can wave an authorisation paper at you.. you have to verify the individual without trusting the paper.

It's like someone had a brainy idea but failed to go through secure design, other than quoting "cutting edge security".. when the security design of the mechanism as a whole is broken.

This is not a no for a singular ID.. but a no due to the Vibe security analyst that must have asked ChatGPT...
 
Why does it need a cringeworthy name? What's wrong with "National Digital ID Card"?

Are we all living in some Black Mirror-esque episode of The Apprentice where everyone has to be as thick and incompetent as possible or something?
 
Haggisman said:
Why does it need a cringeworthy name? What's wrong with "National Digital ID Card"?

Are we all living in some Black Mirror-esque episode of The Apprentice where everyone has to be as thick and incompetent as possible or something?
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In the government yes, because otherwise they'd show up the people above them!
 
Where are all our current records stored?

I mean when I apply for a driving license or passport does someone go and grab my paperwork from a big filing cabinet?
When I go to the Drs I'm pretty sure they look up my details on their computer similar to when i recently attended hospital for a blood test.

I try to use cash as much as possible so I went to the hole in the wall to get "My cash" and i reckon that was computerised too

So whilst the argument about hacking and single point failure may be valid. Isn't it easier to "defend/Secure" one resource rather than all the separate (although probably already connected) sites
 
mattyg said:
So whilst the argument about hacking and single point failure may be valid. Isn't it easier to "defend/Secure" one resource rather than all the separate (although probably already connected) sites
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In theory, yes, but it also means that:

a) That's a much more attractive target
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b) If When they get in, you are completely, totally, and utterly ******
 
Centalised is bad, keyed distributed data means different teams and segmentation from attack.
A single phone software hack turns all the dependent phones into a single distributed database for plunder.
 
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Government response to the petition..


We will introduce a digital ID within this Parliament to help tackle illegal migration, make accessing government services easier, and enable wider efficiencies. We will consult on details soon.
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The Government has announced plans to introduce a digital ID system which is fit for the needs of modern Britain. We are committed to making people’s everyday lives easier and more secure, to putting more control in their hands (including over their own data), and to driving growth through harnessing digital technology. We also want to learn from countries which have digitised government services for the benefit of their citizens, in line with our manifesto commitment to modernise government.


Currently, when UK citizens and residents use public services, start a new job, or, for example, buy alcohol, they often need to present an assortment of physical documents to prove who they are or things about themselves. This is both bureaucratic for the individual and creates space for abuse and fraud. This includes known issues with illegal working and modern slavery, while the fragmented approach and multiple systems across Government make it difficult for people to access vital services. Further, there are too many people who are excluded, like the 1 in 10 UK adults who don’t have a physical photo ID, so can struggle to prove who they are and access the products and services they are entitled to.

To tackle these interlinked issues, we will introduce a new national digital ID. This is not a card but a new digital identity that will be available for free to all UK citizens and legal residents aged 16 and over (although we will consider through consultation if this should be age 13 and over). Over time, people will be able to use it to seamlessly access a range of public and private sector services, with the aim of making our everyday lives easier and more secure. It will not be compulsory to obtain a digital ID but it will be mandatory for some applications.


For example, the new digital ID will build on GOV.UK One Login and the GOV.UK Wallet to drive the transformation of public services. Over time, this system will allow people to access government services – such as benefits or tax records – without needing to remember multiple logins or provide physical documents. It will significantly streamline interactions with the state, saving time and reducing frustrating paperwork, while also helping to create opportunities for more joined up government services. International examples show how beneficial this can be. For instance, Estonia’s system reportedly saves each citizen hours every month by streamlining unnecessary bureaucracy, and the move to becoming a digital society has saved taxpayer money.

By the end of this Parliament, employers will have to check the new digital ID when conducting a ‘right to work’ check. This will help combat criminal gangs who promise access to the UK labour market in order to profit from dangerous and illegal channel crossings. It will create a fairer system between UK citizens and legal residents, crack down on forged documents, and streamline the process for employers, driving up compliance. Further, it will create business information showing where employers are conducting checks, so driving more targeted action against non-compliant employers.

For clarity, it will not be a criminal offence to not hold a digital ID and police will not be able to demand to see a digital ID as part of a “stop and search.”

Privacy and security will also be central to the digital ID programme. We will follow data protection law and best practice in creating a system which people can rightly put their trust in. People in the UK already know and trust digital credentials held in their phone wallets to use in their everyday lives, from paying for things to storing boarding passes. The new system will be built on similar technology and be your boarding pass to government. Digitally checkable digital credentials are more secure than physical documents which can be lost, copied or forged, and often mean sharing more information than just what is necessary for a given transaction.
The new system will be designed in accordance with the highest security standards to protect against a comprehensive range of threats, including cyber-attacks.

We will launch a public consultation in the coming weeks and work closely with employers, trade unions, civil society groups and other stakeholders, to co-design the scheme and ensure it is as secure and inclusive as possible. Following consultation, we will seek to bring forward legislation to underpin this system.


Department for Science, Innovation and Technology
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Click this link to view the response online:


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194?reveal_response=yes


This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.


The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee


Thanks,

The Petitions Team
House of Commons
 
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