That response is a total **** take I think this government are actually trying to sow dissent within the population, everyone should just refuse to use the digital ID - it needs people to go along with it to work but sadly the people of this country won't do that.
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In principle I think a digital ID is not a bad thing. I just have no trust in the government to do it properly. Nor to rationalise departments and/or save money or do this on budget or well. It's going to cost a lot more and the country is broke. Now's not the time to roll out this stuff out until they get control of the country and it's stability.
Ah well another step closer to the death of Labour/Starmer.
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Do these petitions ever work? I feel like most I’ve seen that gain any traction are dismissed like this.
That response is pretty awful.
That response is pretty awful.
The country is not broke, how can it be when it supports probably the largest welfare program of any country in the world. It just spends unwisely. However mustn't get into politics. It is within its rights to have a digital ID system and can make the country use one if it passes legislation. Parliament is sovereign.
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Well maybe "broke" is the wrong word but we're slipping down the GDP of the G7 and spending money on pointless things (like these digital IDs). As I said in principle I think they're a good idea, I have one for my other nationalities and they work well and are so useful especially around Europe (don't even need a passport to travel around the Shengen area now).
They're voluntary across Europe and I believe they will be here too. It will not stop illegal activities, and the onus and pressure will be, as usual, on law abiding citizens. If this joke of a government can prove without doubt that it will improve efficiencies and stop the lifers sat at a civil service desk paper shuffling whilst waiting for their pension, I will gladly be supportive. I do not think they will add value, and they will cost more than what they're trying to save. I would be absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong - genuinely. If this turns out to be a boon for everyone, and the efficiencies and wasted money are evident, then we all win.
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The naming is so ridiculous. Labour pandering to the far right, once again.
I suspect that's actually exactly what it's like.
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I wish I could do the same - but Reform would kick me out!
It’s been called a “National ID card” long before the current far right furore. The reason they it a national ID card is because it’s a card issued based on your nationality in this country that proves your ID.
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Question to people more expert in this.
- Is there any value in combining systems into 1 central digital ID thing?
- presumably there's a lot of cost saving and value
- makes things easier
- increased risk for having everyhing in 1 place?
- should reduce fraud and improve security right?
- could it be a bit "big brothery" i.e. they have all your activities trackable? (I guess at the moment they can still do it but would have to work/combine all the data together)
- It should save us / the gove a lot of money right?
- less duplication
- automation
- improved fraud detection
- But it would have huge issues with legacy systems?
- cost of implementation would probably be high?
The cost saving question always comes up, and it’s true that in the (very) long term there are savings to be had by not duplicating information every which way and having multiple systems to access it. The big problem in the short to medium term is that what you currently having is massive duplication of information accessed by multiple systems, and somehow you need to convert it into the format that covers everything that everyone needs and is accessible by everyone. That’s the bit that costs a fortune.
The archetypal example of this is the attempt to unify the NHS’ record keeping system into one national healthcare record, which started about 20 years ago, cost at least £10 billion pounds (maybe double that?) and didn’t work and had to be abandoned in 2013. They’re finally making some headway on some systems of this kind some 20 years later, but still nothing close to the scale they had intended. This is why people are sceptical of the government’s intention to unify umpteen systems into this national ID card.
The archetypal example of this is the attempt to unify the NHS’ record keeping system into one national healthcare record, which started about 20 years ago, cost at least £10 billion pounds (maybe double that?) and didn’t work and had to be abandoned in 2013. They’re finally making some headway on some systems of this kind some 20 years later, but still nothing close to the scale they had intended. This is why people are sceptical of the government’s intention to unify umpteen systems into this national ID card.
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That's my point. Calling it a "Britcard" or whatever twaddle they want to come up with is a load of pretentious propaganda malecowexcrement. The kind of thing you'd expect to see written into in a sitcom or "reality" TV show for the audience to laugh at, rather than an actual serious suggestion from anyone with more than 2 braincells to rub together.
All correct
Also correct. This is the British government we're dealing with. Their track record of successful large projects leaves a lot to be desired (that's me putting it politely)
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Ah, sorry, misunderstood you. Too early in the morning. Didn’t read your post properly and launched straight into sarcasm mode.
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They've renamed it BritCard
That government response is what I expected. But it's still infuriating that they are just doubling down and not having a parliamentary debate on it.
That said, they will need to have a debate in parliament to get the legislation passed anyway. So it will have to be debated. I've no doubt all Labour MP's will be told to support it though. We can only hope that if it does get introduced then it's a massive failure. I do see in their reply that they clarify one point; you won't need to have a digital Id to continue working. You'll only need one when you change jobs (and probably get any welfare, pension, etc).
I absolutely hate this government for the contempt they have for the public. I was happy to see an alternative to the incompetent Conservatives when Labour won. But it has honestly been the worst British government I've experiences in my 56 years on this planet. At this point in time they are giving Reform a shoe in.
That said, they will need to have a debate in parliament to get the legislation passed anyway. So it will have to be debated. I've no doubt all Labour MP's will be told to support it though. We can only hope that if it does get introduced then it's a massive failure. I do see in their reply that they clarify one point; you won't need to have a digital Id to continue working. You'll only need one when you change jobs (and probably get any welfare, pension, etc).
I absolutely hate this government for the contempt they have for the public. I was happy to see an alternative to the incompetent Conservatives when Labour won. But it has honestly been the worst British government I've experiences in my 56 years on this planet. At this point in time they are giving Reform a shoe in.
I don't see how a digital ID stops people coming in illegally...
This government just gets worse tbh. All they have done so far is erode more freedoms and increase taxes. Farage is a kick up the arse the government probably needs at this point.
This government just gets worse tbh. All they have done so far is erode more freedoms and increase taxes. Farage is a kick up the arse the government probably needs at this point.
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Having worked in a few central gov departments over the years I know how awful and clunky getting things done, changing the status quo, investing in inovation and consolidating systems. The behaviours are too engrained, no one is willing to give things a go.
I just thought I'd air some questions to see if I was being too negative!
