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Hagar

Hagar

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On its website, Flintshire Council states that, under the Environmental Protection Act 1990, it is an offence to dispose of household or business waste in public litter bins

Mum put an envelope from amazon into a public waste bin and is now threatened with littering or fly tipping.


On another bugbear at the moment, Southampton Labour council are fining householders who park on their own drive up to a thousand pounds if they don't have a dropped kerb.

I know it's Labour but really this is scraping the barrel in both cases for petty minded bureaucracy and a petty minded jobsworth mentality.
 
Laws intended for a good purpose without messing with average joe in screwing over average joe shocker.

In other news water is wet, unless you're a business or sufficiently wealthy, in which case it's dry and air conditioned.
 
Uther said:
The councils probably need the money.
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Way to make friends and influence people. They won't need the money soon as they won't be there. Taxing the well off I understand, making the pips squeak i dont.
 
Councils imo are not fit for purpose.

We pay money to them for them to pay someone not employed by the council to do the work.
 
I can see a scenario where you take your empty Amazon box out to put it in wheelie bin and it blows away before you get there, or when refuge lorry arrives. Someone later picks up the box in the street, puts it in public bin, fine!
 
I take our address off any parcels/boxes that will be recycled, but the shredding is me tearing the label up and putting them in the bin.

If you don't have a dropped kerb, you have basically converted your front space to a driveway without asking the councils permission, so I don't have an issue with those sort of fines. Why should some people get away with circumventing the law?


Anyway, this is just another thread to bash labour, right?
 
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Anything with an address on it gets shredded or eaten by the compost worms, much the same as nearly all packaging.
 
VincentHanna said:
I take our address off any parcels/boxes that will be recycled, but the shredding is me tearing the label up and putting them in the bin.

If you don't have a dropped kerb, you have basically converted your front space to a driveway without asking the councils permission, so I don't have an issue with those sort of fines.


Anyway, this is just another thread to bash labour, right?
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No. I would be equally critical of all councils who mistreat their constituents in trivial fashions.
They don't seem so keen on pavement parking restriction, a much more heinous offence to personal safety.
 
Hagar said:
On its website, Flintshire Council states that, under the Environmental Protection Act 1990, it is an offence to dispose of household or business waste in public litter bins

Mum put an envelope from amazon into a public waste bin and is now threatened with littering or fly tipping.


On another bugbear at the moment, Southampton Labour council are fining householders who park on their own drive up to a thousand pounds if they don't have a dropped kerb.

I know it's Labour but really this is scraping the barrel in both cases for petty minded bureaucracy and a petty minded jobsworth mentality.
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That has been the law for a very long time. Every year or two you get a paper trying to get some headlines or clicks about how unreasonable a council is for not letting you park on your own property.

You are not legally allowed to cross a non dropped kerb and you could be doing damage, every now and then a council will have a crackdown on it.
Getting the kerb dropped isn't massively expensive BUT the council won't let you do it if it is in a place where having the car pull out of the drive would be dangerous, so there are two elements to the reason for not allowing people to just pull up over a kerb where they want, one is the damage that can be done over time to the kerbstones that are not intended to have that happen, and one is that that it can be quite a dangerous thing to do in some places.



As for the letter thing, that seems very petty however the law they're using does actually make sense, street bins are not intended for household waste and would rapidly fill up and be useless if people did start routinely putting their household rubbish in it, and there is a financial incentive for businesses to do so unless there are penalties for it. They are there for waste you might have created whilst out, such as food wrappers etc (and it's worth noting that many fast food places have bins required along with regular emptying as part of their planning permission hence why McDonalds always has a load).
However normally in this sort of example (it pops up every few years), it's some low level employee at the council taking it too far and it's dropped.
 
Hagar said:
No. I would be equally critical of all councils who mistreat their constituents in trivial fashions.
They don't seem so keen on pavement parking restriction, a much more heinous offence to personal safety.
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Pavement parking requires the council officers to actually witness it when it's done, and people love to complain about when they do enforce it.

Dropped kerbs can be checked on by simply driving around and seeing who has a car parked on their drive without a dropped kerb at night etc.

Basically it comes down to manpower and costs, a traffic warden to monitor pavement parking has to do it all day every day and can only cover a small part of a town in any day*, you can do a dropped kerb survey in a few days/weeks knowing that it's a constant issue (and possibly even do some of it via google earth or by getting footage off council vehicles).


I've been sorely tempted to start sending in dashcam footage of some of the stuff I see, as there is a particular laundrette near me where people will park fully on the pavement, on a corner with a roundabout one side and a zebra the other.

*It always makes me smile seeing how fast the idiots clear out of the loading only bays, and the taxi's move from blocking the disabled parking bays on my highstreet when the rare traffic warden is sighted.
 
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Sounds very minor, not long back I witnessed an old lady stuffing bags of glass into a public bin meant for dog waste.

There was a dedicated glass bin not far away, maybe a 10 minute walk even for an elderly person.

The person with me advised me not to get involved in-case she made false accusations to the Police that i touched her or something.
 
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The parking problem is probably exacerbated by people wanting to charge their new EV adjacent to their house rather than across a pavement or using a more expensive commercial charger.my annoyance here is choosing an obvious money spinner with a captive community rather than fining cars for loading the pavement for several hours rather than minutes by parking with two wheels on it and reducing its proper function as a pedestrian thoroughfare. This is obviously too hard for them to get a grasp of.
 
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aVdub said:
Councils imo are not fit for purpose.
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Why not? My bins get emptied on time every week, state of the roads aren’t bad, local parks are kept nice, tidy and litter picked. Local leisure centres could do with a bit more investment but visitor numbers are probably down and they really aren’t bad on the whole. Anyway, no complaints here.

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You are not legally allowed to cross a non dropped kerb and you could be doing damage, every now and then a council will have a crackdown on it.
Getting the kerb dropped isn't massively expensive BUT the council won't let you do it if it is in a place where having the car pull out of the drive would be dangerous, so there are two elements to the reason for not allowing people to just pull up over a kerb where they want, one is the damage that can be done over time to the kerbstones that are not intended to have that happen, and one is that that it can be quite a dangerous thing to do in some places.
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*claps* at some sense brought to the clickbaity thread
 
shifty_uk said:
Why not? My bins get emptied on time every week, state of the roads aren’t bad, local parks are kept nice, tidy and litter picked. Local leisure centres could do with a bit more investment but visitor numbers are probably down and they really aren’t bad on the whole. Anyway, no complaints here.



*claps* at some sense brought to the clickbaity thread
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Years ago when you paid, you paid a council employee to do the job.
Now you pay the council to pay a private company to do the work and I see it no better than paying a Fred to have my gas delivered, or Pat for my electric.
 
aVdub said:
Years ago when you paid, you paid a council employee to do the job.
Now you pay the council to pay a private company to do the work and I see it no better than paying a Fred to have my gas delivered, or Pat for my electric.
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As far as Southampton goes, you actually pay a contractor directly yourself these days for the bulk of the work, the only bit you pay the council for (which they do indeed get someone else to do :p) is to review your application and mark the approved crossing position
 
Might be different where you are. Here, it's always council workers that are out and about, in the parks, leisure centres, carers etc.
 
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