That’s just not true, it’s amazing how many of you must work in crap holes. As I mentioned before, the company I contract for has a large intake of young people every year from graduates to degree apprentices and they all get training with a specific training budget too, so if they want to do off site courses they can do that as well as on the job training and IET mentoring. I would be more than happy to work there as a permie if I didn’t get a damn sight more money as a contractor.
Do lots of young people not work these days ?
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That’s just not true, it’s amazing how many of you must work in crap holes. As I mentioned before, the company I contract for has a large intake of young people every year from graduates to degree apprentices and they all get training with a specific training budget too, so if they want to do off site courses they can do that as well as on the job training and IET mentoring. I would be more than happy to work there as a permie if I didn’t get a damn sight more money as a contractor.
Mangers, leaders and senior staff are performance targeted on upskilling staff in good companies.
I’ve been trying to “coach” a colleague of mine so that they pass the foundation level of this certification but they are not willing to accept my help..
I was with a company where everyone kept telling me that the company doesn’t pay for any training.. I spoke to HR, followed the process of writing a business case… and was put on the course within a month.
Thing is, if there is no training then you get to a position where you have no succession planning in place and you get a knowledge vacuum which isn’t any good for continuity.
I used to work in a place where everyone was either nigh on retirement or a graduate because they didn’t train people early enough, so when the old people retired they left with decades of experience so they had to accelerate the young people’s roles because they needed to fill the open vacancies. All that ended up happening was young people were being promoted to senior roles well before their time as they didn’t have the experience and as a contractor I reaped the benefits as they needed contractors to fill the gap.
Too many people are scared of losing their jobs.. if I can shift left to someone else or if I don’t have it waiting for me to do when I get time, it’s a win in my books.
We do reach out to the community, it’s a double edge sword.. it allows us to steal ideas and spot talent but some of the companies we visit are using such dated tech and processes, it’s shocking.
Where the hell do you lot work 
I've got guys being trained constantly. This week alone I've got two staff doing their High Voltage Authorised Person courses, five doing Fire Door Inspections and four doing Legionella Awareness.
These courses range from £200 to £2500 per person.
Then again I actually have a good team who actually want to work. Took me 18 months of hard work and frustration to get to this point, but it was worth it. Any manager is only as good as the staff he manages.
I've got guys being trained constantly. This week alone I've got two staff doing their High Voltage Authorised Person courses, five doing Fire Door Inspections and four doing Legionella Awareness.
These courses range from £200 to £2500 per person.
Then again I actually have a good team who actually want to work. Took me 18 months of hard work and frustration to get to this point, but it was worth it. Any manager is only as good as the staff he manages.
Try working for a Government Organisation or a Bank. You want training.
"Sorry, we don't have the budget "
Spent 10k training myself over years. Because of this, I have more than doubled my salary since 2019.
Where the hell do you lot work
I've got guys being trained constantly. This week alone I've got two staff doing their High Voltage Authorised Person courses, five doing Fire Door Inspections and four doing Legionella Awareness.
These courses range from £200 to £2500 per person.
Then again I actually have a good team who actually want to work. Took me 18 months of hard work and frustration to get to this point, but it was worth it. Any manager is only as good as the staff he manages.
Yes, that's fine if you work in industries where you need continuous Health and safety training because you probably have to by law not because you want to. Otherwise you don't have qualified staff to work which is dangerous.
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None of these courses are h&s related. They're development courses, as requested by the staff.
Granted they'll save us a few quid on contractors, but they're 100% staff investment.
The irony of people who want to take stuff from other people whilst complaining about businesses and managers offering poor compensation is mind boggling.
What compensation are freeloaders offering to the taxpayers for their work?
Do they not understand that taxpayers are working for that money, or do they think it's okay to not compensate people for their work *at all* as long as they are not an evil business?
Low compensation from business = bad, but:
NO compensation from freeloaders = good?
Is this supposed to be the virtuous position now?
What compensation are freeloaders offering to the taxpayers for their work?
Do they not understand that taxpayers are working for that money, or do they think it's okay to not compensate people for their work *at all* as long as they are not an evil business?
Low compensation from business = bad, but:
NO compensation from freeloaders = good?
Is this supposed to be the virtuous position now?
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I left school with eight o levels,
Worked in a bank for for six months, hated it
Worked on a factory lathe for six months hated the union.
Worked as a farm laborer for six months. OK.
Worked as a chain lad on site, got promoted to junior engineer/surveyor.
Did day release at Wigan tech
Promotion to site engineer.
Jacked it in and went dredging for three years.
Went to college again
Got a job as a draughtsman in a design office.
For the next 36 years stayed and promoted through the ranks
Senior then principal engineer, Member if the Institution of Civil Engineering.
Etc., etc.
Retired, write poetry.
My career (to date)
Worked in a bank for for six months, hated it
Worked on a factory lathe for six months hated the union.
Worked as a farm laborer for six months. OK.
Worked as a chain lad on site, got promoted to junior engineer/surveyor.
Did day release at Wigan tech
Promotion to site engineer.
Jacked it in and went dredging for three years.
Went to college again
Got a job as a draughtsman in a design office.
For the next 36 years stayed and promoted through the ranks
Senior then principal engineer, Member if the Institution of Civil Engineering.
Etc., etc.
Retired, write poetry.
My career (to date)
Again.. it's not true... I have worked for a gov org, a bank, eduction and a charity... all have provided training. Maybe not what I wanted but neither the less the training is there.
A bank is required to proved training, which is also mandatory to do on processes and producures.
If a department doesn't have a training budget, then the company can't afford to have that department.
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But that example is like the lowest end of IT... what knowledge and experience are you hoping to be renumerated for? It's basically electronic Lego at this point
TBH - it's reads like an advert for PC World...
If you want an IT role that pays - get certification on things Businesses need and want - someone who bUiLdS pCs aT hOmE is only ever going to be a bottom feeder on a low salary. No point in anyone getting salty over that, as a 16 year old fresh from school could do the work - and wouldn't mind that pay.
What's your unskilled job, probably something a monkey can do, sounds like you deserved to be paid national minimum wage.
OK, training which is worth people time and interest.
Not a bunch of PowerPoint presentations and tick box exercises which you call "training "
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The training we had was a box ticking exercise, people passed and they shouldn't have been let near any of the things that the job entailed.
In fact I'd have sacked most of the trainers as the passed people who shouldn't be passed.
I would love training in microelectronics, but that's got sweet FA with my role nor the business model of the company I work for...
should they provide training and an industry certification in something that adds no value for them?
If you have a vaild reason for the training, then get it put in your contract and your personal development review...
I worked for a small company in the past of about 15 employees. Constantly promised career development and training time, but never actually delivered it. Everybody would always get bombarded with normal work and would therefore never have time for training.
If you decided to sack off the normal work to actually use the 4 hours a week of training time you've been scheduled (lol), management would start complaining and questioning why the normal work isn't being done and mention clients are getting upset.
Genuinely didn't understand why they promised something they can't afford to deliver. During performance reviews, us employees were still blamed for "not progressing or upskilling ourselves", despite also being told that we must get normal work constantly bombarded to us done.
Soon after that, I left them for a company that actually spent time and money on training and upskilling their staff.
Unfortunately, not all companies do want to train people or have the budget or resources to do so. I just loathe companies promising something they actually can't deliver. At that point, you're better off jumping ship.
If you decided to sack off the normal work to actually use the 4 hours a week of training time you've been scheduled (lol), management would start complaining and questioning why the normal work isn't being done and mention clients are getting upset.
Genuinely didn't understand why they promised something they can't afford to deliver. During performance reviews, us employees were still blamed for "not progressing or upskilling ourselves", despite also being told that we must get normal work constantly bombarded to us done.
Soon after that, I left them for a company that actually spent time and money on training and upskilling their staff.
Unfortunately, not all companies do want to train people or have the budget or resources to do so. I just loathe companies promising something they actually can't deliver. At that point, you're better off jumping ship.
I don't know the details of your story beyond what's presented here, but one of the more difficult things for young people now is that living costs are so high, that it makes starting over or going back into training very difficult without family backing.
Easy to be trapped in a job, or in the wrong career, because the risks of trying to start over are insurmountable. You may have a mortgage or rent which requires 50% of a 'living wage' to cover.
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Quick calculation you have to work 13.5 hours a week just for rent. Another Considering most first jobs are NMW and low hours 16 probably is the average what chance do single young people thrown out of their family home at 18? (saving up for car, own house etc)
Luckily I paid house off <10 years.
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Turns out we're all just a bunch of moany old Karens about the new generation, and believe everything we see on social media.