The rise of Ozempic

RedMogg said:
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@tamzzy

Do you need to repeat the process of taking a photo of you with your top off for each supplier?
 
EvilRob said:
It's just from carbing up. When you're in a calorie deficit, generally your muscles burn their glycogen stores. When you carb up, they are replenished. Muscles can store roughly 500g glycogen and each gram of glycogen is stored with 3g of water. So it's perfectly normal for weight to vary by 1 or 2 KG based on how carbed up you are. If you go back to your previous deficit then your body will just use the stored glycogen over the next couple of days, depending on how active you are.
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Having run/completed/jogged the London Marathon twice now, you end up starting the race quite a bit heavier than your normal weight as you’ve maxed out the storage capacity of your muscles over the previous couple of days with pasta, bread, bagels, peanut butter etc.
It sounds amazing that you can just eat as much as you want on the Friday and Saturday, but by Sunday morning you just want to get it over with and go back to normal eating :D
 
Andybtsn said:
Out of interest, and I'm not being an arse, but why are you proud of her? I have been on Mounjaro since May, and I have nearly lost 4 stone. I literally take no satisfaction from anyone, including the wife, saying well done to me as I haven't done anything, the meds have.
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I'm proud of her because she's my Wife...

...and I'm not a dick.
 
Don't take offence, but in the end we get on these meds as we have exhausted all avenues in trying to lose weight 'naturally', but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that there's not a massive effort mentally and physically in losing weight whilst injecting ourselves. I always played football three times a week, walked a lot, and still found myself badly out of shape, because I like sweet things too much. Now, I don't have a sweet tooth, I don't eat significant portions, and I still exercise, so life is all good.

The real challenge, and when I expect well-dones and congrats, is when I wean myself off this stuff and try to live a healthy lifestyle, I'm determined to do it, but who knows. That's when you can be proud of me too ;)
 
Andybtsn said:
Don't take offence, but in the end we get on these meds as we have exhausted all avenues in trying to lose weight 'naturally',
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As much as this may be true, weight loss drugs are still not going to be the 'ideal' solution to weight loss. Being active is still part of a healthy life style. It's no good losing weight with drugs, but having the joints, or muscle effectiveness of a 100 year old.
I'm still struggling to establish if these drugs are being pushed as the only solution needed.
 
A genuine question from the guys how shout about willpower.

What do you guys do when you get hungry?

I've always been able to ignore the hunger pangs all day and only eat later in the day

Whereas most of my mates get proper Hangry after about an hour
 
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Shadowness said:
As much as this may be true, weight loss drugs are still not going to be the 'ideal' solution to weight loss. Being active is still part of a healthy life style. It's no good losing weight with drugs, but having the joints, or muscle effectiveness of a 100 year old.
I'm still struggling to establish if these drugs are being pushed as the only solution needed.
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Without a doubt, I always envisioned it as the last resort. I personally felt I failed having to go down this avenue, but as I'm now 40, I'll accept it and hopefully live longer.
 
Andybtsn said:
Without a doubt, I always envisioned it as the last resort. I personally felt I failed having to go down this avenue, but as I'm now 40, I'll accept it and hopefully live longer.
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People shout about it being the easy way out and we should eat better and move more. But, and I know this is an extreme, But how many of those people have raised and killed their own food or grown and cultivated their own food.. Because if you go to a supermarket isn't that cheating too.. Its just much more socially accepted and the norm as that takes a lot less effort than the traditional way
 
mattyg said:
A genuine question from the guys how shout about willpower.

What do you guys do when you get hungry?

I've always been able to ignore the hunger pangs all day and only eat later in the day

Whereas most of my mates get proper Hangry after about an hour
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I find the biggest part of it is whether there’s food available - if I can’t actually get hold of any then it’s not as big of an issue and as long as I’m busy doing something I can mostly ignore them till I start getting a headache.

If I’m not full and there’s food available in front of me that I can have, then the temptation to eat it kicks it and my mouth will literally start to water. My brain WANTS me to eat it because I love the feeling of eating. Most of the time I don’t even care what it is - I just want to eat.

Taken me decades to figure all this out and be at a stage where I know how to eat and control the caloric intake along with appreciating what sort of food it is and how it effects that - actually losing weight and forcing the body to use the stored fat is a completely different proposition, and the drugs are an assistance to that.

I should point out I haven’t used it although the temptation to look into it (much like a doughnut) is definitely there.

Everyone is different - we all need to eat but getting that balance right is difficult these days. I’ll happily defend anyone using it to help themselves because I know how difficult it is to do naturally. It’s no different to a nicotine patch.
 
Andybtsn said:
Without a doubt, I always envisioned it as the last resort. I personally felt I failed having to go down this avenue, but as I'm now 40, I'll accept it and hopefully live longer.
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Duuuuuuuuude - this is just your mindset, i think in a few short years, weight loss jabs will be accepted as the norm; the NHS are prescribing them!

Are nicotine patches cheating? I have changed my eating habits, i am spending more time in the gym - i am hopeful that once i am off the jabs, i stick with this regime so i don't end up falling back into the bad habits i had - and put all the lost weight back on.

I was sceptical at first, which is why i only started in July this year - but reading here and other forums, it's a literal life saver for some.
 
I wouldn't consider it cheating and you should still be proud of losing the weight because you decided to make the change.

What is alarming is how many people are using these jabs and lying about it, even though it's obvious.

Nobody really cares if you're using them (well, some people do judging by this thread), but it's like the fake natties at the gym, it becomes laughable when people you've known for years, who constantly yo-yo diet between holidays, suddenly make this massive transformation and actually stick with it. And it just happens to be right around the time these jabs were being mentioned everywhere.
 
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Andybtsn said:
I'm a tight northener, I don't want to be paying for anything unless I have to, £200 per month on a jab, this was my last resort for sure :p
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Paid for by reduced consumption, couple less meals out or a few less takeaways?? Be interesting to know how much cash people are actually losing by paying for this. I suspect in many cases not all that much.
 
mattyg said:
A genuine question from the guys how shout about willpower.

What do you guys do when you get hungry?
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It helps to plan, prep etc. so that you can make sure you're eating foods that help you feel fuller, longer without necessarily being significantly more calorie dense. I target around 1500 calories per day and rarely find myself feeling properly hungry unless that was 1500 cals of rubbish. I made conscious switches to more whole foods, more meal prep, bulking out food with more veg etc.

One of the things I picked up when starting to pay more attention to nutrition was to focus on getting it right 80-90% of the time - give yourself a little bit of breathing space to not feel like you're entirely beholden to your nutrition plans, because the odd slip here or there isn't going to make massive material differences long term, as long as you can be strict enough with yourself the rest of the time - so I have no worries about going to a birthday party and indulging in a bit of cake and some party food if my diet has been good for the rest of that fortnight (or if I do have the odd 'hungry day' and end up eating something extra).

You won't see medically assisted type results like this but i've still knocked off 18kg in about 8 months (since starting proper exercise), 15kg of that being the last 5 months once I started paying more attention to my nutrition and eating a calorie deficit. I'm happy with dropping ~3kg per month, though that's slowing a little now that i'm reaching a more normal weight and there's not so much fat to come off.
 
EvilRob said:
Paid for by reduced consumption, couple less meals out or a few less takeaways?? Be interesting to know how much cash people are actually losing by paying for this. I suspect in many cases not all that much.
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Between the pair of us and including Huel, we're about £300 a month better off - since January. Will likely spend more than that buying smaller clothes, since I donated all the stuff that didn't fit me to my brother-in-law last year.
 
Kenai said:
It helps to plan, prep etc. so that you can make sure you're eating foods that help you feel fuller, longer without necessarily being significantly more calorie dense. I target around 1500 calories per day and rarely find myself feeling properly hungry unless that was 1500 cals of rubbish. I made conscious switches to more whole foods, more meal prep, bulking out food with more veg etc.

One of the things I picked up when starting to pay more attention to nutrition was to focus on getting it right 80-90% of the time - give yourself a little bit of breathing space to not feel like you're entirely beholden to your nutrition plans, because the odd slip here or there isn't going to make massive material differences long term, as long as you can be strict enough with yourself the rest of the time - so I have no worries about going to a birthday party and indulging in a bit of cake and some party food if my diet has been good for the rest of that fortnight (or if I do have the odd 'hungry day' and end up eating something extra).

You won't see medically assisted type results like this but i've still knocked off 18kg in about 8 months (since starting proper exercise), 15kg of that being the last 5 months once I started paying more attention to my nutrition and eating a calorie deficit. I'm happy with dropping ~3kg per month, though that's slowing a little now that i'm reaching a more normal weight and there's not so much fat to come off.
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Thanks but youve kind of said you dont get hungry.

I'm after the guys that say its lack of willpower why you need the jab. What do those guys do when they get hungry. Can they just ignore it for hours on end
 
mattyg said:
Thanks but youve kind of said you dont get hungry.

I'm after the guys that say its lack of willpower why you need the jab. What do those guys do when they get hungry. Can they just ignore it for hours on end
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Well that's my point, rather than worry about 'what happens if I get hungry and I don't have a jab to suppress it?', I make sure what i'm eating doesn't consistently leave me feeling hungry.

I don't just eat empty calories until I hit 1500 and then sit feeling like i'm starving for the rest of the day (which is what would happen if I didn't change the things I ate), I deal with 'feeling hungry' by eating food that helps stop that happening in the first place, even though i'm in a calorie deficit.

It's infinitely easier to have the 'willpower' to plan out some good food for the week/day when you're not already hungry, than try to deal with the effect of being hungry later, then you don't find yourself needing that willpower to not eat when you're hungry.

Even the people with the best willpower in the world are going to have a miserable time if they let themselves constantly feel hungry because they've eaten empty calories and nothing they're eating makes them feel full. This is probably a big part of why some people find it easier than others to rely on 'willpower' - if your diet is mostly whole foods and you feel full and satisfied after even smallish portions, then you don't need much in the way of willpower anyway, because there's less of a feeling to fight against.
 
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