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MOOGLEYS said:
Picked up my car from Hyundai today after warranty fixes. On the way back from picking my daughter up the charge flap detached and bounced down the road. It looks like as part of the fix Hyundai just broke the flap off then glued it back on which did not work. Going to see the manager tomorrow. It has also been dented slightly just above the charge.

I’m not happy.:mad:
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That's bad, I'm going to assume they caught it on something and broke it while working on your car and tried to hide it. It's bit them on the bum now though as I'd think that's going to costly for for them to fix.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
How do you badly treat a battery?
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There’s a lot of expert and battery manufacturers guidance on this but also a lot of “non experts” who will tell you it doesn’t matter as the impact over a cars lifetime will be minimal. You can decide who to believe.

- Charging to 100% regularly (yes even LFP should not be done every time).
- Leaving it at high SoC for days on end
- Rapid charging to 100%
- Excessive rapid charging.
- Leaving it at low SoC for days.

I charge to 80% unless going on a longer trip. I drive until about 30% and charge back to 80% and it takes no real effort at all.

I handed back an I-Pace lease after 3 years and 27,000 miles that showed 96% SoH using Carscanner. Similar charging behaviour with our then 2 year old C40 with 23,800 miles and Carscanner showed at 98% SoH.

My almost 2.5 year old Born 77kWh with 23,000 miles is showing 97% SoH. That is with a cold battery and if I were to discharge to 10% and charge to 100% and let the BMS balance it, I would expect about 98%. I bought it used 5 months ago at 98.7% SoH.

In contrast the first EV I leased for only two years was an E-Tron 50 and I ignored the advice and charged to 100% almost every time. I also rapid charged it quite a few times right up to 100%. When it went back it was giving me noticeably less range than new, 175 miles most full charges for the first few summer months, down to about 160 to 163 at best.

Ultimately I am not judging, it is down to choice. But if you are ever buying a used EV at 1 years or older, ask for a full SOH check. My own experience was you could have similar age and mileage EVs and the SoH could show a 5% - 10% variance.
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
Picked up my car from Hyundai today after warranty fixes. On the way back from picking my daughter up the charge flap detached and bounced down the road. It looks like as part of the fix Hyundai just broke the flap off then glued it back on which did not work. Going to see the manager tomorrow. It has also been dented slightly just above the charge.

I’m not happy.:mad:
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What a way to ruin a brand reputation, a bodge fix on a customer car. I would strongly advise you raise the separately with Hyundai UK support as well, since they are actively trying to improve brand image and quality, and this just screams dodgy back street garage.
 
Journey said:
What a way to ruin a brand reputation, a bodge fix on a customer car. I would strongly advise you raise the separately with Hyundai UK support as well, since they are actively trying to improve brand image and quality, and this just screams dodgy back street garage.
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I had a similar experience with Seat/Cupra. Got my Born wing mirror puddle light fixed a few months back and was noticing a rattle from the passenger side. Eventually sourced it to a loose wing mirror cover and on inspection both retaining clips were broken. They had obviously broken it when taking it off the lazy way to “fix” the puddle light.

Instead of going back to them I bought a set of gloss black Golf Mk8 wing mirror covers off Amazon for £32. These fit perfectly on any Born and it is easier than trusting them to do it right and also removed the hassle of leaving them with my car for half a day.
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
Picked up my car from Hyundai today after warranty fixes. On the way back from picking my daughter up the charge flap detached and bounced down the road. It looks like as part of the fix Hyundai just broke the flap off then glued it back on which did not work. Going to see the manager tomorrow. It has also been dented slightly just above the charge port.

I’m not happy.:mad:



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Just enough to get you out of the dealership mentality. I hope you get this sorted and they realise how they might have lost a future customer.
 
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Tbh it’s quite a heavy piece with pointy corners. I was doing 60mph when it came off it could have done some serious damage if it hit a cyclist or something.

The arm it attaches too is broke too so it’s not just the flap and will probably need a complete new charge port, flap and painting and the dink repairing.

I have managed to find a bung to cover the AC port so it’s drivable at least just looks awful.
 
Mysterae_ said:
The manual of my car states this exact thing - "It is recommended to fully charge the vehicle at a regular basis (at least once a week), and fully charge it from low battery (SOC <10%) once every three to six months".
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Yes exactly the same on mine but people on here knew better.
I'm not saying they don't know better either so I don't bother, I only did it the once.

ICDP said:
I charge to 80% unless going on a longer trip. I drive until about 30% and charge back to 80% and it takes no real effort at all.
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Same here, it never goes above 80% but the lowest we ever run it is around 60% unless we go to Manchester or East Midlands Airport.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
When I put a post about running it down to 10% and then up to 100% every know and then everybody took the pee out of me :)
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That's because you made an absolute meal out of doing it, rather than just doing it when it happened to be convenient :p
The wife took it out at dinnertime to get 11% off it, I followed her on the tracking and she went all over the place with heating full on, electric heated seat full on, electric heated steering wheel and the window open because it was too hot in the car just to get the percentage down :)
What a waste of Kw.
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About the CLA 400v charging situation, I enquired about this to the Merc dealer and was told the 400v system will coincide with the release of the shooting brake version sometime next year. This includes adding the 2nd screen as an option, AWD version and the Electrochromatic roof amongst other improvements
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Yes exactly the same on mine but people on here knew better.
I'm not saying they don't know better either so I don't bother, I only did it the once.



Same here, it never goes above 80% but the lowest we ever run it is around 60% unless we go to Manchester or East Midlands Airport.
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My mentality has always been treat it like a normal car. That meant with my first EV to just charge to 100% and never mind that 80% pish. After two years of this I was seeing noticeable loss of range in identical summer conditions.

Since then I adopted the 80% rule (90% with the Volvo as per manual) and discharge to about 30%. For my use that’s about one week of use give or take 10% SoC. In winter I can top up a bit when needed. There’s no planning required, just set 80% max in the app and charge when needed.

The 30% minimum is where I get about 70 - 100 miles of range as my emergency drive reserve.

I know some on here have argued in the past that there’s no proof there is any benefit. Yet manufacturers of EVs, batteries and experts all seem to say otherwise. When pushed they might concede that at most “babying” the battery would save 1% per year. The problem I have is twofold.

1. It’s accepted best practice and hardly babying, one setting on the car app and done.

2. If you own your own EV for many years, that 1% per year over even a 5 year period is all adding up.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
'Banter' doesnt work like that on a forum. You just sounded like a boomer scared of reading manuals. Kinda back fired.
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And you took it seriously, the car went to about 21% and she couldn't be arsed :)
It's easy winding up kids, especially kids like you who think they know it all.
 
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I actually did drive like that back to the dealer to return my broken MG4 because they'd annoyed me and I wanted them to have to deal with a dead car sat on their car park :o
Yes, I am a child.
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
Picked up my car from Hyundai today after warranty fixes. On the way back from picking my daughter up the charge flap detached and bounced down the road. It looks like as part of the fix Hyundai just broke the flap off then glued it back on which did not work. Going to see the manager tomorrow. It has also been dented slightly just above the charge port.

I’m not happy.:mad:



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It wasn't necessarily a bodge. On our old Punto the pop up wind deflector on the sunroof used to catch. The official fix included a mounting kit which basically bonded the plastic part to the hinges. We had this done just before it went out of warranty on a nice cold November day and the adhesive didn't take. It was tethered so never came off but both hinges came unbonded.

I passed on letting Fiat fix it and got the Dremel and Araldite out. Never came off again!

Hopefully they resolve it for you. I wouldn't be worried about the plastic part, they can bin that and supply a new one. The bodywork damage would be my concern, especially if it is on a lip or a crease as they can be awkward to resolve.
 
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