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Dis86 said:
And yet they get all excited over the ME? Why the difference?
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lemonkettaz said:
Probably a part of it is that it’s always in the news cycle so more up front in the general publics mind.
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This really. People are generally passive now. It's so bad people won't even open the splash page on Facebook promoted stories.

Surely we can't expect people to care for things if they aren't in the news?


Its scary how passive people are now.
 
413x said:
This really. People are generally passive now. It's so bad people won't even open the splash page on Facebook promoted stories.

Surely we can't expect people to care for things if they aren't in the news?


Its scary how passive people are now.
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Or perhaps English people don't care about Africa because they're not white english people.

But they'll still whine about Hillsborough where "only" 100 people died, but if 1000x in Sudan, Gaza die it would be "don't care"
 
hornetstinger said:
Or perhaps English people don't care about Africa because they're not white english people.

But they'll still whine about Hillsborough where "only" 100 people died, but if 1000x in Sudan, Gaza die it would be "don't care"
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Could be race. But I think it's more that Africa doesn't really affect the west nor do the issues stray into "our world".

Its so different. They don't have nukes. Or are any threat to us. And we are fine with them just getting on with it.

I don't think many really care about the middle East either. People just comment on stories etc. But I many do anything more than that.

Myself? I don't really care. Too much in life to deal with. I know I'm not going to do anything to help myself, so I just scroll past really.
 
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If it wasn't for social media and 24 hour news then most people wouldn't care about anything that happened outside of their own lives, or country, and tbh, why should they.As 413x said, he doesn't hear anyone talking about Sudan in the real world, nor do I. Same with the ME.
To be brutally honest I care more about paying my electric bill or getting my car through its MOT than Gaza or Sudan, or anywhere else in the world that I can do nothing about. Horrible things are always happening somewhere.
There are people literally tying themselves in knots with rage about these things, how is that helping your life to do that?
Turn the news off and go for a walk outside.
 
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I strongly disagree with your generalised statement that “English” people care for nothing of “Africa” because they’re “not white English”…

Pretty ignorant statement to make tbh with you.

In the real world on the ground people care no matter their nationality or race.

Generally people “don’t care” back in the UK because it’s probably and generally not fed into their conscious regularly enough to have an impact
 
413x said:
Could be race. But I think it's more that Africa doesn't really affect the west nor do the issues stray into "our world".

Its so different. They don't have nukes. Or are any threat to us. And we are fine with them just getting on with it.
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Probably worth looking into when the native africans were slaughtering the white south africans, how the west reacted to that that was about 10 years ago now?
 
hornetstinger said:
Probably worth looking into when the native africans were slaughtering the white south africans, how the west reacted to that that was about 10 years ago now?
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But was this because the press pushed it?
It probably was. I personally don't remember.

I'm not saying it's not racial. At core it probably is. But I think it's more passive than that.
 
lemonkettaz said:
I strongly disagree with your generalised statement that “English” people care for nothing of “Africa” because they’re “not white English”…

Pretty ignorant statement to make tbh with you.

In the real world on the ground people care no matter their nationality or race.

Generally people “don’t care” back in the UK because it’s probably and generally not fed into their conscious regularly enough to have an impact
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Race and religion comes into it. But let's say

Muslim country massacres Christian country
Christian country massacres Muslim country

And the person reading the headline is a Christian.

What probability they would find the first one bad as the religion ingrains them to support Christians- (I see that in the church I go to, brought up King David Hotel and they though Muslims did that, and totally brainwashed to support Israel no matter what) and murdering people of other religions is part of their dogma- it literally says that in the OT bible, and their God commands it. Both religions dictate the murder of people of other faiths so in high probability they'd see the second as "justified" in some way, or ordained , or God wanted that to happen, or in fact support even more if the book says so.

I can see it here, literally showing videos of one group shooting kids and some people find it funny and support that...which I'm flipping that to reverse their reasoning- and suddenly they don't find it funny.
 
Israel is an ally, probably one of our strongest in the middle east. Labour may be walking away from them a bit at the moment. Normal order will resume soonest.
The fact remains that most Arab nations also normalise relations with Israel most of the time. Saudi Arabia was two clicks from doing so prior to October 2023. One does wonder over the timing.

Sudan like Eritrea and much of eastern Africa dissolves into bitter internecine conflicts at the drop of a hat and attempts to solve them are very difficult. Even the UN shy away.
 
Hagar said:
Israel is an ally, probably one of our strongest in the middle east. Labour may be walking away from them a bit at the moment. Normal order will resume soonest.
The fact remains that most Arab nations also normalise relations with Israel most of the time. Saudi Arabia was two clicks from doing so prior to October 2023. One does wonder over the timing.

Sudan like Eritrea and much of eastern Africa dissolves into bitter internecine conflicts at the drop of a hat and attempts to solve them are very difficult. Even the UN shy away.
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Allies.

LOL
 
hornetstinger said:
Allies.

LOL
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Yes, we still support them. We provide munitions and parts. If they are attacked we provide cover by way of Intel and fire support. We maintain access through Suez in line with Europe and the USA by interdiction of hostile force.
 
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Hagar said:
Yes, we still support them. We provide munitions and parts. If they are attacked we provide cover by way of Intel and fire support. We maintain access through Suez in line with Europe and the USA by interdiction of hostile force.
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How dare you bring that common sense and logic in here, how dare you!
 
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