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Reviews look alright, are you sure it wasn't a reference model with a Sapphire logo on the box? They sold a fair chunk of those, even recently.
This was when they'd just come out, people were recommending the Pure, IIRC in general the 7900XT/XTX ran rather hot didn't they, so it would make sense going for higher model with better fans, keeping the temps down, which often yields quieter RPM fans overall, ramping wise. But who knows, it was years ago :)
TPU's review does suggest it wasn't quiet (at least, compared to more modern cards), though they did praise the quiet BIOS option.
I don't honestly remember how quiet it was with dual BIOS, as it wasn't my card :) but she wanted to run it at full performance, so wouldn't of used the quieter, underclocked 2nd BIOS, as that defeats the point a bit, so I can understand that.
Not sure, all I can say is that my Pulse models have been fine and they usually perform well (for noise) in reviews.
Nice, I'd imagine the Pure would still be quieter, otherwise, what exactly is the extra paying for over the 2, as there's also the faster more expensive Nitro that follows after the Pure.
Awkward to claim because I haven't seen any tear downs that I can compare the two, but I suspect (from looking at the pics and the last gen) that the 9070 XT's PCB and cooler design are the same for those models.

The 9060 XT is probably the same as well, except the change to ball bearings on the Pure.
In general, for the little difference in price, I personally see it as a no-brainer to get the middle modle option over the entry level, but I'm not precious over £30-100 difference on a card, but I totally understand why some people are :)

Regardless, you cant loose with either a 5070Ti or a 9070XT :D
 
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Regardless, you cant loose with either a 5070Ti or a 9070XT :D

That's fine, but the weird argument came out of nowhere in relation to 5060ti recommendation relating to a much more capable GPU.

5060ti - 9060XT
5070 = 9070
5070ti = 9070XT

The price difference regarding the OP's initial question are huge.

PS: I also have a 4070 series, I've had no issues because I don't update the drivers frequently. :cry:
 
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thanks for all the replies, i originally was going for the 5070 ti but ever since i heard about the problems with the 16 pin connector that was out of the equation and the highest nvidia without the connector is the 5060 ti which i dont think i will get the performance that i would like so the 9070 xt was then next obvious choice, the last gpu i bought was £!50 so spending this much is a big thing but as i have said i have just built a pc and without the gpu cannot really test it properly, from the small amount of the reviews i have seen the pulse seems to come towards the bottom of all the temp or performance benchmarks and the mercury oc and the red devil seem to come towards the top and the pure seems to come upper middle. just dont want to regret my choice and would prefer to pay more to get the right choice.
 
another worry i have is that my msi b850 edge ti motherboard has the extra pcie connector on board and some people say you need to connect it and some people say no and at the moment i have not got it connected and so far so good but if i bought a 3 connector 9070 xt and for some reason i need to connect it like for example the pc crashes with the new gpu connected i would only have 2 connectors as i only have 3 in total so its a worry if i bought a 3 connector card.
 
from the small amount of the reviews i have seen the pulse seems to come towards the bottom of all the temp or performance benchmarks and the mercury oc and the red devil seem to come towards the top and the pure seems to come upper middle. just dont want to regret my choice and would prefer to pay more to get the right choice.
It isn't something I'd be too worried about, all the cards look decent. It is normal that the more premium models come higher up the charts.

An alternative option if you particularly wanted a premium model is to buy a 9070, since their power consumption is low enough that e.g. I believe the red devil just has 2 connectors. That said, it is rarely good value for money to buy a premium model from a lower spec GPU, rather than an entry-level model from the higher spec GPU.

This was when they'd just come out, people were recommending the Pure, IIRC in general the 7900XT/XTX ran rather hot didn't they, so it would make sense going for higher model with better fans, keeping the temps down, which often yields quieter RPM fans overall, ramping wise. But who knows, it was years ago :)
I suspect there's wires being crossed somewhere. From what I can recall, the 7900 XT/XTX was first widely available with the AMD reference models and you could buy one of those even with a Sapphire logo on the box. The early batches were not good, some actually had a fault with their cooler and had to be returned.

There was advice at the time to buy the Pulse instead of the reference model and so far as I know, the Pure didn't exist back then (I think it was first introduced with the launch of the 7700 XT).

Nice, I'd imagine the Pure would still be quieter, otherwise, what exactly is the extra paying for over the 2, as there's also the faster more expensive Nitro that follows after the Pure.
With Sapphire, it varies a lot. Sometimes they use the same PCB and cooler and even between the Pulse and the Nitro there's practically zero meaningful difference (for awhile, quick swap replaceable fans was a big bonus for the Nitro), but in the later gen the Nitro cards seem to be more distinct, like their use of the 16-pin and the magnetic plate to hide the cables.

Without a detailed tear down it is always hard to say (e.g. more phases, an extra heatpipe or two, swapping aluminium for copper), but they do look the same for certain GPUs. The main visible difference for the Pure is that it is: white and has RGB. To give an example of how it varies, with the 9060 XT it has ball bearings and the Pulse has sleeve bearings, but that's only a difference for the 9060. Similarly, the 9070 non-XT Pulse is 2-fan, whereas the Pure is 3-fan, but that's not the case with the 9070 XT.
 
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I suspect there's wires being crossed somewhere. From what I can recall, the 7900 XT/XTX was first widely available with the AMD reference models and you could buy one of those even with a Sapphire logo on the box. The early batches were not good, some actually had a fault with their cooler and had to be returned.

I didn't even know that was a thing TBH :) How did that even happen, branding wise? The cooler fault rings a bell :)
Hers was definitely a Sapphire though.
There was advice at the time to buy the Pulse instead of the reference model and so far as I know, the Pure didn't exist back then (I think it was first introduced with the launch of the 7700 XT).

Interesting, so was it just the Pulse and the Nitro pre-dating that? It's been awhile since I've owned an AMD card :)
With Sapphire, it varies a lot. Sometimes they use the same PCB and cooler and even between the Pulse and the Nitro there's practically zero practical difference (for awhile, quick swap replaceable fans was a big bonus for the Nitro), but in the later gen the Nitro cards seem to be more distinct, like their use of the 16-pin and the magnetic plate to hide the cables.

Without a detailed tear down it is always hard to say (e.g. more phases, an extra heatpipe or two, swapping aluminium for copper), but they do look the same for certain GPUs. The main visible difference for the Pure is that it is: white and has RGB. To give an example of how it varies, with the 9060 XT it has ball bearings and the Pulse has sleeve bearings, but that's only a difference for the 9060. Similarly, the 9070 non-XT Pulse is 2-fan, whereas the Pure is 3-fan, but that's not the case with the 9070 XT.
Oh I see :) I know the Nitro or was it 'Nitro+'? Was the one to go for if you wanted the best by them, right? Or was it purely because it was slightly more OC'ed?
Ah, I remember something regarding RGB/ighting and bearings, maybe it was simply that the fans had the better bearings :)

Thanks for the insight anyway, that's cool to know, versus it just being some tacky RGB or 'gamer' styling/tax :P
I always did like Sapphire, and it's the one I'd use if they bring out another XTX, I can only pray :D
 
I didn't even know that was a thing TBH :) How did that even happen, branding wise? The cooler fault rings a bell :)
Hers was definitely a Sapphire though.
I'm not sure why it happened, maybe they didn't give the AIBs enough time/warning.

It was Sapphire, Powercolor, probably other brands like XFX. They were just AMD cards with a different logo on the box. You could only tell them apart because there was no model in the name, e.g. it just said Powercolor Radeon rather than Hellhound, Red Devil, or whatever.

Interesting, so was it just the Pulse and the Nitro pre-dating that? It's been awhile since I've owned an AMD card
Pulse, Nitro and Toxic. The Toxic was usually a limited edition, they've been water cooled of late. The Nitro had some other variants too.

White themed cards weren't common prior to the Pure, so I guess Sapphire thought when they became widespread they should have one too.

I always did like Sapphire, and it's the one I'd use if they bring out another XTX, I can only pray :D
You never know! Though nvidia being so slow on the Super I'd have thought is killing the chances.

Oh I see :) I know the Nitro or was it 'Nitro+'? Was the one to go for if you wanted the best by them, right? Or was it purely because it was slightly more OC'ed?
I think the + means OC, but not sure on that one.

The Nitro was often the best AMD card (or close to it) with the most overbuilt cooler, but every gen/model differed.

I wouldn't say they had the same kudos as e.g. nvidia's FTW cards, but they're definitely popular and have a decent following.

The 9070 XT Nitro actually run a little hotter than the Pulse in TPU's review, but it was using 12% more power at the time.

Their noise-normalised testing puts the Nitro ahead, but only marginally. That is just one sample though, so I'd always expect some variation.
 
That's fine, but the weird argument came out of nowhere in relation to 5060ti recommendation relating to a much more capable GPU.

5060ti - 9060XT
5070 = 9070
5070ti = 9070XT

The price difference regarding the OP's initial question are huge.

PS: I also have a 4070 series, I've had no issues because I don't update the drivers frequently. :cry:

Sorry I totally missed this :P

Oh I know :) I wasn't backing the 5060ti guy :) Just speaking in general.

Yep, that's true!

Haha, I can honestly say that I've never had a problem with any 4070 drivers, and I'd winge like a girl about it if they did :cry: IIRC it was the odd issue for 4080/90 wasn't it? And now the 5XXX series in general?

I'm not sure why it happened, maybe they didn't give the AIBs enough time/warning.

It was Sapphire, Powercolor, probably other brands like XFX. They were just AMD cards with a different logo on the box. You could only tell them apart because there was no model in the name, e.g. it just said Powercolor Radeon rather than Hellhound, Red Devil, or whatever.
An interesting situation regardless :)
Pulse, Nitro and Toxic. The Toxic was usually a limited edition, they've been water cooled of late. The Nitro had some other variants too.

White themed cards weren't common prior to the Pure, so I guess Sapphire thought when they became widespread they should have one too.
Makes sense.
You never know! Though nvidia being so slow on the Super I'd have thought is killing the chances.
We can only pray :P
I think the + means OC, but not sure on that one.
Yeah from memory, I think it did/does :)
The Nitro was often the best AMD card (or close to it) with the most overbuilt cooler, but every gen/model differed.

I wouldn't say they had the same kudos as e.g. nvidia's FTW cards, but they're definitely popular and have a decent following.
Yep, pretty nice cards :)
The 9070 XT Nitro actually run a little hotter than the Pulse in TPU's review, but it was using 12% more power at the time.

Their noise-normalised testing puts the Nitro ahead, but only marginally. That is just one sample though, so I'd always expect some variation.
Ahhh, that rings a bell, I knew there was something that I'd forgotten, the extra power draw!
 
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Cba to answer individually as this is such basic knowledge..... :rolleyes:

DLSS lets you take any recent game run it 1920x1080 using DLSS the AI algo gives you an almost perfect upscaled full RT 4K image yet you save thousands as no need to run native 4K RT hardware...if you can see any noticeable IQ difference between DLSS @ 1920x1080 you must be using a microscope :p

So many gamers waste thousands on 4K monitors & GPUs etc etc yet Nvidia RTX5xxx series can provide the same IQ for a fraction of the cost...all this power connector issue talk is mainly around the 5090 series & AMD are not perfect either! :p
 
Cba to answer individually as this is such basic knowledge..... :rolleyes:

DLSS lets you take any recent game run it 1920x1080 using DLSS the AI algo gives you an almost perfect upscaled full RT 4K image yet you save thousands as no need to run native 4K RT hardware...if you can see any noticeable IQ difference between DLSS @ 1920x1080 you must be using a microscope :p

So many gamers waste thousands on 4K monitors & GPUs etc etc yet Nvidia RTX5xxx series can provide the same IQ for a fraction of the cost...all this power connector issue talk is mainly around the 5090 series & AMD are not perfect either! :p

We know what DLSS is ;)
 
Cba to answer individually as this is such basic knowledge..... :rolleyes:
Nice patronising answer there.

Yes I know ALL of that. You referred to RTX FX, whatever that is and you still haven't answered that question.

You sound like an Nvidia shill defending his or her purchase. Further proof of the complete and utter guff you've posted was your comment on AMD drivers, in a year when Nvidia have EASILY had worse drivers than AMD.

Seriously, don't bother posting anything if all you can do is patronise, post false info and sound like you're on the payroll.
 
Cba to answer individually as this is such basic knowledge..... :rolleyes:

DLSS lets you take any recent game run it 1920x1080 using DLSS the AI algo gives you an almost perfect upscaled full RT 4K image yet you save thousands as no need to run native 4K RT hardware...if you can see any noticeable IQ difference between DLSS @ 1920x1080 you must be using a microscope :p

So many gamers waste thousands on 4K monitors & GPUs etc etc yet Nvidia RTX5xxx series can provide the same IQ for a fraction of the cost...all this power connector issue talk is mainly around the 5090 series & AMD are not perfect either! :p

If you are going to make comments like this then you better damn well be sure you are right. Guess what? You are wrong!

You do not get near perfect 4k image with DLSS, you will get an improvement but gaming on a 4k monitor will always give you much better image. Of course, if you do not have a 4k monitor to do side by side comparisons you may not be able to tell but lets not sell the lie that it will be equal.
 
i believe the first pure model was actually the 6500xt sapphire pulse itx pure [yeah that model name pretty much explains why on the next gen 7000 series they just went with the name pure lol]
i have the oddity pulse itx pure sat next to me and you can kinda tell with the benefit of hindsight and having a 9070xt pure sat next to it you can see how the pure series kinda came into being almost
but yes the 7000 as far as i can tell is the first proper pure branded series. I wouldnt have known this had i not gone looking lately and im now becoming a bit of a pure series fan now lol as evidenced
by my new motherboard and the incoming next build. as for how much difference there is compared to the pulse im guessing its the fans, the rgb and the colours and possibly a different vbios but that
bit is a guess purely [pun intended] based on the advertised clock speeds being a bit higher on the pure as opposed to the pulse.
 
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