How would pay per mile car tax work?

Had an 2011 Auris Hybrid (mk3 Prius) 1.8L petrol engine.

Absolutely babied it and best i got on an average over the year was 54mpg.

Mild hybrids tend to be more reliable (if designed well) as no starter, alternator and less engine running hours but god are they dull to drive but maybe mine is a unique case with its CVT.
 
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lordrobs said:
So you want ICE drivers to pay fuel duty AND a pence per mile charge on top?
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That is exactly what drivers of hybrids will be doing from 2028 - paying fuel duty and pay-per-mile.

I've seen this type of comment on social media - "I'm not going electric now because of the pay-per-mile" etc...
Before jumping to any conclusions, it’s probably worth waiting until we see how much it’s going to cost to drive a petrol or diesel car in 2028!
 
theone8181 said:
I've not actually done a comparison, but are hybrids much more economical than the ice equivalent? I realise that's possibly a "how longs a piece of string" type question, but I assume it depends on the type of hybrid (I've not looked at how they get the mpg figures).
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I think it depends on the driving conditions tbh. I rarely get more than 35mpg out of a tank in a little 1.4l Abarth 595 but I am doing mainly stop start London traffic and then hooning... For me a mild hybrid would probably work well, if I decided driving was for A to B movement
 
SDK^ said:
That is exactly what drivers of hybrids will be doing from 2028 - paying fuel duty and pay-per-mile.

I've seen this type of comment on social media - "I'm not going electric now because of the pay-per-mile" etc...
Before jumping to any conclusions, it’s probably worth waiting until we see how much it’s going to cost to drive a petrol or diesel car in 2028!
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Only Plug In hybrids.

5.12 Taxing motoring and supporting the British automotive industry​

Electric Vehicle Excise Duty (eVED) – The government is introducing Electric Vehicle Excise Duty (eVED), a new mileage charge for electric and plug-in hybrid cars, with effect from April 2028. Drivers will pay for their mileage on a per-mile basis alongside their existing Vehicle Excise Duty. Electric cars will pay half the equivalent fuel duty rate for petrol and diesel cars, and plug-in hybrid cars will pay a reduced rate equivalent to half of the electric car rate. The government has published a consultation which provides further detail on how eVED will work and seeks views on its implementation. The consultation will remain open until 18 March 2026.
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currently on a model 3 - cant say i will have it in 3 years but used to own a bmw 520e. this was a phev with the battery rated at 30 miles. but in reality it did 11 - 13 miles on battery, i was lucky that i work 11 miles from home, and could charge for free at work. so daily it was mostly ev usage. but anything outside of this would have been petrol.

Now i was a special case, but in reality this car had a battery to make the tax charged for company drivers cheaper. and i suspect prior to myself it was basically ran on petrol.

Would guess this will just kill the phev market dead, as in reality people with these will be double taxed
 
wouldn't be unfair to distinguish a large heavy bev/phev from a small one , with it's additional road wear&urban congestion,
need to follow France/eu with introducing a weight based component for taxation (for ice+bev vehicles)
 
adencool said:
Would guess this will just kill the phev market dead
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I think that's the plan. It might seem appealing for those cars that can do 80 miles on electric, but the other side of that is, you are lugging round a expensive engine that only comes on when flooring it for a overtake which is likely to need disproportionally high maintenance costs as a result.
 
An inherent problem is that people are quite lazy. Any form-filling declaration, special trips to a garage for mileage verification or any manual mileage record keeping will deter people from owning an EV.

When I bought my EV earlier this year I didn't think I'd have to be completing a mileage self-assessment for it in a few years :cry: .

The only feasible way mileage based taxation will work will is that every vehicle has a mileage tracker fitted. They know this so they will start by making the initial system as difficult and as convoluted as possible so that you will thank the government for the chance to save all the hassle by fitting a mileage tracker. We are sheep.

Anyway, if or when the cost to run an EV gets to parity to that of a petrol or diesel car, I'd likely switch back and I'd think so would many others. The government must be aware of this and so they will ensure that parity never happens (net zero lol) and therefore the cost of petrol and diesel will have to increase in the near future.
 
I think they should just do what I've been suggesting for years. Scrap VED (or make it about weight/damage to road surfaces), raise the loss of revenue by taxing fuel and charge every car by the mile.
 
inogen said:
I think they should just do what I've been suggesting for years. Scrap VED (or make it about weight/damage to road surfaces), raise the loss of revenue by taxing fuel and charge every car by the mile.
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Increase fuel duty! Surely that will fix it in one go. Bigger heavier vehicles cause more damage and use more fuel. As a haulage company owner I'd rather they just raised the VAT on fuel instead of the fuel duty

As I said earlier in this thread, Make the EV cars record UK mileage. They already record many details in case of accidents. Airbag deployment etc. Manufacturers probably already have this coded in anyhow. I'm pretty sure TESLA already do as theyve said they dont need a bigger range than the 400 odd miles as 99% of their journeys dont go over that and dont go near that without a stop lasting long enough to charge..

Maybe older EV's cant be updated but I'm pretty sure most if not all come with a sat nav nowadays and even if can do an OTA update they could force an update Via MOT's
 
tom_e said:
No they couldn't. Unless people are taking their cars to the dealer to have it MOT'd and I'd guess very few do then they generally won't have the kit to update the software.
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If software is not up to date then it fails the MOT. Thats what i meant. Not that the MOT station does the updates.
 
Are we going to start seeing "phevs" with 200 mile range from a 60kwh battery and 100cc engine/1l fuel tank (i.e. a BEV in all but name) to be eligible for the lower mileage rate?
 
Mysterae_ said:
An inherent problem is that people are quite lazy. Any form-filling declaration, special trips to a garage for mileage verification or any manual mileage record keeping will deter people from owning an EV.

When I bought my EV earlier this year I didn't think I'd have to be completing a mileage self-assessment for it in a few years :cry: .

The only feasible way mileage based taxation will work will is that every vehicle has a mileage tracker fitted. They know this so they will start by making the initial system as difficult and as convoluted as possible so that you will thank the government for the chance to save all the hassle by fitting a mileage tracker. We are sheep.

Anyway, if or when the cost to run an EV gets to parity to that of a petrol or diesel car, I'd likely switch back and I'd think so would many others. The government must be aware of this and so they will ensure that parity never happens (net zero lol) and therefore the cost of petrol and diesel will have to increase in the near future.
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I think a lot of people will either just not do it or lie. The miliage "correction" business is going to boom.
 
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Haggisman said:
Are we going to start seeing "phevs" with 200 mile range from a 60kwh battery and 100cc engine/1l fuel tank (i.e. a BEV in all but name) to be eligible for the lower mileage rate?
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range extenders were a thing in a few EVs back in the day. it died out for some reason but if you HAVE to have a hybrid it is the best way imo.

(but not because of our rules.... it's too small a market to design cars around)
 
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Haggisman said:
Are we going to start seeing "phevs" with 200 mile range from a 60kwh battery and 100cc engine/1l fuel tank (i.e. a BEV in all but name) to be eligible for the lower mileage rate?
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Considering the rules could be changed very quickly to counter that I doubt we will see things like that developed.
 
The died out for the reason you’ve posted multiple tiles.

People drag round their petrol generators and never used them.

They added complexity, cost, weight, caused lots of issues (*cough i3) and simply were not worth it once full BEV range got up to sensible levels for a sensible cost.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
The died out for the reason you’ve posted multiple tiles.

People drag round their petrol generators and never used them.

They added complexity, cost, weight, caused lots of issues (*cough i3) and simply were not worth it once full BEV range got up to sensible levels for a sensible cost.
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these are arguments against PHEVs. in general. and yes I have made the argument about why it was a poor choice for us (but my wife insisted we could not rely on EVs and it wasn't my car)

BUT IF you are gonna buy a plug in hybrid then at least making it one that is an EV most of the time makes sense to me.
 
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