EV general discussion

[ICDP]

The I-Pace will meet all of those if you get the right spec model. Some post covid ones do lack a few features but I think they were all back in the last models coming off the production run.

I had an HSE I-Pace, good car and loved it.

My apologies but my “must haves” list above is being facetious and showing all the things we try to convince ourselves we couldn’t live without in a car.

One of the most liberating and recent experiences I have ever had as a driver is having to drive around in a 12 year old iX20 with nothing but the basics. It forced me to become less reliant on technology to do the driving for me. I found out for example that my neck can and does rotate over my shoulder to check blind spots. That halogen lights can and do actually light up dark country roads more than adequately. That my reflexes are still better than a computer at deciding when it is inappropriate to have my high beams on (even matrix lights). That I should be aware of and observe my surroundings before reversing, rather than relying on sensors, 360 views and reverse cameras to tell me “yer gettin a bit close to that obstacle”.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Just come back from Cyprus and similar in a Kia Stonic, sounds more like a medical procedure than a car No “tech” but then ironically still has the apple CarPlay.

 

[Penfold101]

Just come back from Cyprus and similar in a Kia Stonic, sounds more like a medical procedure than a car No “tech” but then ironically still has the apple CarPlay.

I have one of those every month, just to keep things moving…

“Do you want to spend a fortune making a satnav and entertainment system?”
“Nah, Apple have done it for us!”

 

[jpaul]

I think the problems Tesla have faced and reason for their drop in sales other than the Musk effect (which is by far the biggest reason), is stagnation and the overhype finally catching up with reality.

people still listen to Kanya Wests music - the musk effect is overhyped and it's more the availbility of other competitive products,
customers want perceived individuality/exclusiveness/choice (..like a lifestyle hatchback or estate)
maybe Musk effect was influential with the insurance underwriters though.

 

[TheVoice]

Considering you now charge a Tesla fully in around 30mins, that’s not much of a hardship. Anyway if you’re just going to insult please run along

And even less of a hardship so when you can often just plug the car in, walk away and get some shopping/lunch/coffee and come back to it when it's done.

If I'm ever sat in my car waiting for it to charge I usually end up dealing with emails, checking websites, watching YouTube etc; things I'd be doing if I was sat on the sofa at home for 20-30 mins anyway.

 

[Simon]

Simon's on the blob again huh, Easter Sunday too, classy


I did wonder about Tesla. Aren't their first gen cars still getting free charging for life?

Not really sure what I said that was wrong. New owners really shouldn’t get an EV without home / destination charging. Seen far many people make the mistake


Can you explain the Easter Sunday and period ‘joke’ please. I don’t get it

 

[Nemiyen]

I had an HSE I-Pace, good car and loved it.

My apologies but my “must haves” list above is being facetious and showing all the things we try to convince ourselves we couldn’t live without in a car.

One of the most liberating and recent experiences I have ever had as a driver is having to drive around in a 12 year old iX20 with nothing but the basics. It forced me to become less reliant on technology to do the driving for me. I found out for example that my neck can and does rotate over my shoulder to check blind spots. That halogen lights can and do actually light up dark country roads more than adequately. That my reflexes are still better than a computer at deciding when it is inappropriate to have my high beams on (even matrix lights). That I should be aware of and observe my surroundings before reversing, rather than relying on sensors, 360 views and reverse cameras to tell me “yer gettin a bit close to that obstacle”.

Ah nice one I didn't realise you'd already had one. (Or I have forgotten!)

I still do a lot of things manually as I work in IT and don't trust the sensors at all! Cameras maybe but sensors, nope!

 

[the wopster]

New owners really shouldn’t get an EV without home / destination charging. Seen far many people make the mistake

That might have been the case when petrol was £1.20 and diesel was £1.38 per litre but they are now around the £1.50 and £1.85 per litre respectively, as I asked originally, are we now past the tipping point where it’s possibly more economical to get an EV even without home/work charging.
I currently have a T-Roc TDI and average around 42-45mpg and always fill around 45 litres twice a month so around the £160 mark. If my maths are right it costs me around 0.18p per mile, if I were to get a Tesla and use the supercharger close to me, even at peak times it would cost 0.42p per KWh and if I was to get a conservative 3 miles per KWh it would cost around 0.14p per mile, less if I go later at night or early morning.

 

[tom_e]

That might have been the case when petrol was £1.20 and diesel was £1.38 per litre but they are now around the £1.50 and £1.85 per litre respectively, as I asked originally, are we now past the tipping point where it’s possibly more economical to get an EV even without home/work charging.
I currently have a T-Roc TDI and average around 42-45mpg and always fill around 45 litres twice a month so around the £160 mark. If my maths are right it costs me around 0.18p per mile, if I were to get a Tesla and use the supercharger close to me, even at peak times it would cost 0.42p per KWh and if I was to get a conservative 3 miles per KWh it would cost around 0.14p per mile, less if I go later at night or early morning.

How much will it cost you to swap cars and how much do you value your time? Tesla insurance can also be relatively high.

I'm not saying it's the worst idea but that's not a massive saving based purely on per mile cost.

I'd also assume at some point fuel is going to drop again, at which point are you then stuck basically paying the sameish (possibly more) but having to hang around a public charger every now and again.

 

[pastymuncher]

I forgot to ask, you did power cycle it from the breaker?

Always. Up until a hour ago the charger has been offline for four days but I did yet another power cycle and it actually came online so I quickly got on the app and unlocked the buttons. Unfortunately they have changed the options and there is no restore firmware option anymore, all I can do is reboot so I did one anyway and it was still online when it came back. The car is plugged in now and started charging and the blasted charger has gone offline again. Now I have to keep a close eye on the Nissan app to make sure the charge doesn't go over thee 80% I want. As the charger is charging the car and gone offline it will just fill the battery to 100% otherwise. I am so fed up with this nonsense!!

The reason I locked the buttons in the first place is that one of my neighbours looks after kids and they have to fiddle with everything!!

 

[Journey]

Always. Up until a hour ago the charger has been offline for four days but I did yet another power cycle and it actually came online so I quickly got on the app and unlocked the buttons. Unfortunately they have changed the options and there is no restore firmware option anymore, all I can do is reboot so I did one anyway and it was still online when it came back. The car is plugged in now and started charging and the blasted charger has gone offline again. Now I have to keep a close eye on the Nissan app to make sure the charge doesn't go over thee 80% I want. As the charger is charging the car and gone offline it will just fill the battery to 100% otherwise. I am so fed up with this nonsense!!

The reason I locked the buttons in the first place is that one of my neighbours looks after kids and they have to fiddle with everything!!

Only other thing I can suggest is leaving it off for ~30 mins to discharge internally. I am not sure at what point the removed the firmware reset, but seems odd as its the recovery mode for a bricked firmware update.

 

[Journey]

if I were to get a Tesla and use the supercharger close to me, even at peak times it would cost 0.42p per KWh and if I was to get a conservative 3 miles per KWh it would cost around 0.14p per mile, less if I go later at night or early morning.

To hit 3mpkWh in a Model 3 you'd be doing 100MPH everywhere at -15c

Realistically it's more like 10.5p per mile peak, and 6p off peak as an average across the year, this time of year as it is warming up and if you do a lot of 'round town' you'll see 5.5mpkWh or better. You've not actually said how many miles you do per week either, that will make a big difference to convenience.

I currently have a T-Roc TDI and average around 42-45mpg and always fill around 45 litres twice a month so around the £160 mark.

Soon to be £180 per month or more.

I mean the other huge benefit regardless of the home charging you aren't driving a bang average ICE car, I am sure you'll find benefits of EV go far beyond the cost per mile.

 

[pastymuncher]

Only other thing I can suggest is leaving it off for ~30 mins to discharge internally. I am not sure at what point the removed the firmware reset, but seems odd as its the recovery mode for a bricked firmware update.

It was me not holding the three buttons for long enough. I managed to do the firmware reset and now it's completely ******. It says internet error, no sim card inserted so I presume this whole farce is caused by a faulty sim card.

 

[rodenal]

I'm incredibly tempted by the model 3 given the price, albeit not ideal as my car doesn't go back for another few months (plus it's not actually the kind of car I was looking for so the boss may end up with the family car).

Drove one at the weekend, fairly impressed all round tbh. Doesn't feel remotely basic, albeit the lack of any buttons is initially a bit annoying as is lack of Android auto, offset by good in built nav. Nothing else at the same kind of monthly (either privately or through my company car scheme) really comes close. Equivalent cars, that is mostly prefer are all the equivalent of £150/month more making it very tempting.

 

[the wopster]

To hit 3mpkWh in a Model 3 you'd be doing 100MPH everywhere at -15c

Realistically it's more like 10.5p per mile peak, and 6p off peak as an average across the year, this time of year as it is warming up and if you do a lot of 'round town' you'll see 5.5mpkWh or better. You've not actually said how many miles you do per week either, that will make a big difference to convenience.

Soon to be £180 per month or more.

I mean the other huge benefit regardless of the home charging you aren't driving a bang average ICE car, I am sure you'll find benefits of EV go far beyond the cost per mile.

I do around 200 miles a week

 

[Journey]

It was me not holding the three buttons for long enough. I managed to do the firmware reset and now it's completely ******. It says internet error, no sim card inserted so I presume this whole farce is caused by a faulty sim card.

Well they can go faulty, or it might be an issue with it registering correctly on 'an' network. It's the huge downside of OHME no Wi-Fi connectivity on the UK version, and you shouldn't need to open it up yourself to change the SIM card, though you can do this if you really want to (not advised if under warranty and you don't know what you are doing.)

 

[pastymuncher]

Yes it's still under warranty. You get three years so I still have 16 months remaining. It's just getting them to do something other than them telling me they have "tweaked" the sim settings.

 

[tamzzy]

Yes it's still under warranty

Who installed it? I'd be getting the installers on the blower to see if they can sort something out?

 

[Simon]

I do around 200 miles a week

Nothing then

 

[VincentHanna]

Nothing then

40% higher than the average person, to be fair.

I do 12k ish