Say that then instead of talking in flipping riddles.
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It is a pretty good in Euro ncap results.
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Euro NCAP | BYD DOLPHIN
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Your post was an island out of context to anyone who wasn't following the last couple of pages of conversation and able to join the dots.
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If you have to explain your own point in a follow up post then you missed the point.
You should get a Buzz. A buzz off.
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I looked at considering a Buzz. problem is for the expense the range didn't cut it for what I needed. I get it tho. it's a big old brick of a vehicle .. but if ever there was a vehicle with could hide a few inches of extra batteries that is it. this was a launch model. maybe they have improved since.
I really like the Buzz but the cost of one on our scheme was .....interesting. Seen a couple of PV5's close up now, can really see the appeal (accepting the Buzz is undoubtedly the looker) for someone that can live with the range and power limitations. The things are absolutely massive inside
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I’ve not actually driven one yet.
I’ve basically got a choice of buying a used car with around an 8.5k budget that’s more economical than my current MG
Or paying off my loan with than 8.5k giving me the financial wiggle room to consider a lease or something equivalent. EV in my use case, (mostly city) with the tools available (driveway/solar) seems to make the most sense.
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I had to travel to Preston for work this week and took the wife's i4 40. 4.3kwh over 172.2 miles on the way out and 3.9kwh on the way back, which I was quite surprised at given the i4s aren't renowned for their range. I was expecting low/mid 3s. I could almost have made it home on a single charge, but was a bit cheeky and used the client's free EV chargers to top it back up again 
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Alpitronic... get them in the UK too
My experience is exactly the same, and I don't drive it any different from my m235i either. I don't know where this myth comes from that the i4's aren't renowned for their range either because generally they match, or exceed, quoted numbers.I had to travel to Preston for work this week and took the wife's i4 40. 4.3kwh over 172.2 miles on the way out and 3.9kwh on the way back, which I was quite surprised at given the i4s aren't renowned for their range. I was expecting low/mid 3s. I could almost have made it home on a single charge, but was a bit cheeky and used the client's free EV chargers to top it back up again
The lowest I've seen in winter was 3.1 on a run.
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if you don't need the range you don't have to go too mad on cost.
something like a refreshed ioniq around 2021 with the larger 38kwh battery should be gettable around £10k mark.
I say if you don't need the range..... that should still manage 150 winter miles
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Took our 2022 Hyundai Kona EV on 49.5k miles for its 5 year/50k mile service and battery software update recall yesterday.
The battery SoH report showed SoH 100%.
The blurb said SoH is dependent on intensity of use. We bought the car used last September on 45k miles, so I can only presume that the first owner used a slow home charger and didn't hammer the battery.
The battery SoH report showed SoH 100%.
The blurb said SoH is dependent on intensity of use. We bought the car used last September on 45k miles, so I can only presume that the first owner used a slow home charger and didn't hammer the battery.
Id say I average around 200ish miles a week.
My current working out is that I pay £350 a month for my loan, £200 a month on fuel.
Taking the installation of charger out the equation as I can use savings to get that.
New car R4/600e as examples with 10k mileage is around £260 a month. Charging will be pence from home I’d be saving a massive amount a month.
Albeit a model 3 with 10k miles 1+23 is only 50 month a month with a bigger range so less charging and no servicing needed. Which seems like a cracking deal.
It’s worth noting that Hyundai and Kia are notorious for underreporting their actual battery degradation. I have seen actual substantial differences. For example Bjorn Nyland showed a Hyundai Ioniq with I think 17% degradation but the Hyundai software report said it was at 98%.
Here is a recent video showing this issue for the Korean EVs.
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Why not just get a decent used EV on a personal loan? Longer term costs are much reduced then, if you don't change your car regularly then leasing isn't optimal.
Yeah but you know that has to be wrong on an 8 year old vehicle with 321,000 km on it. Also its an older air cooled pack, with older chemistry as well. Check the Kia video I posted a few weeks ago showing a Niro with over 300k miles, and that was still high 80's.
I agree nobody who knows EVs will ever believe a 8 year old EV with 200,000 miles on it will have 98% SoH. But that same experienced EV owner should also raise an eyebrow that a 4 year old EV is at 100% SoH. It just not how any EV battery chemistry works.
The point was not the battery chemistry type, but that the Hyundai (and Kia) SoH reported by their own dealerships cannot and should not be trusted to give accurate battery state of health.
There are credible reports on the Ioniq forums that Hyundai software reports 100% SoH for Ioniq 5s confirmed to have actual degradation of up to 6%. The software allegedly sees anything over 70000 as 100%, despite true 100% being net 74,000 (or 77,000 on newer models).