India / Pakistan division

[Cyber-Mav]

i learnt something about this back in history when i was in school 20 years ago. its vauge now to remember but im sure something cropped up about a diamond or something in the Crown Jewels being jacked from india.

dunno if im getting this mixed up with some film or something else since it was a long time ago when i was in skool

 

[Yas786]

i learnt something about this back in history when i was in school 20 years ago. its vauge now to remember but im sure something cropped up about a diamond or something in the Crown Jewels being jacked from india.

dunno if im getting this mixed up with some film or something else since it was a long time ago when i was in skool

Well your almost right...it was the Koh-i-Noor, at the time the worlds largest diamond that was taken by the British and given to the Queen.

The Crown jewels were made up of jewels taken from various british colonies if im not mistaken, which included India amongst other British colonies.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Well your almost right...it was the Koh-i-Noor, at the time the worlds largest diamond that was taken by the British and given to the Queen.

The Crown jewels were made up of jewels taken from various british colonies if im not mistaken, which included India amongst other British colonies.

thing is why would anyone want anything from india? my neighbour came back from there recently and bought a rado watch and a gold bracelet. both turned out to be fake.

/queen should check that diamond out

 

[VIRII]

Wasnt a rant, posted something that wasnt on topic and thought no point in posting it so therefore deleted it, i am allowed to do that am i not?? or have i broken some cardinal VIRII rule.... anyways if you were expecting some sort of rant then im sorry to inform you that it was nothing of the kind.

It is a shame you did not leave it, it would have been hard to justify not suspending you for it.

 

[VIRII]

i learnt something about this back in history when i was in school 20 years ago. its vauge now to remember but im sure something cropped up about a diamond or something in the Crown Jewels being jacked from india.

dunno if im getting this mixed up with some film or something else since it was a long time ago when i was in skool

Google the Koh-i-noor Diamond. The largest diamond in the world found in India. Uterly worthless to anyone who lacked the ability to cut it or sell it or to find someone with the cash to buy it.

 

[VIRII]

Well your almost right...it was the Koh-i-Noor, at the time the worlds largest diamond that was taken by the British and given to the Queen.

The Crown jewels were made up of jewels taken from various british colonies if im not mistaken, which included India amongst other British colonies.

Your knowledge is so lacking A much more involved history of the stone can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor

Fought over and stolen many times by many people over several hundred (possibly even longer) years. But stick to the very basic, very ignorant anti british line instead.

Of course when Muslims plundered the world in the quest for "knowledge" bringing back the things that they found that was fine, no need to criticise them for that......

 

[Yas786]

It is a shame you did not leave it, it would have been hard to justify not suspending you for it.

LOL i know its a shame i didnt leave it but whats the point if it adds nothing to the thread or the OP's question. As for suspending me, well thats neither of your concern is it??...but im waiting for the next time you find yourself suspended...have to admit i do have a good laugh on your behalf.

But you carry on with your constant sniping from the side...i need the practice of dodging snidey comments.

Your knowledge is so lacking A much more involved history of the stone can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor

Fought over and stolen many times by many people over several hundred (possibly even longer) years. But stick to the very basic, very ignorant anti british line instead.

I will thanks, much like your ignorance on certain issues in this forum eh VIRII...glasshouses and all that. And for your info, my knowledge isnt as lacking as you put it. I do know the history of the Koh-I-Noor from the books i have read and also from exactly the same link you just posted off wiki. Cyber asked a simple question and i clarified it for him...if you have a problem with that..then lets hear your version of it. As far as im concerned, the British took/stole the koh-i-noor from India...thats the point i was making...and its one you cannot deny that your so called great British Empire were nothing more than a bunch of thieves and mauraders.

Of course when Muslims plundered the world in the quest for "knowledge" bringing back the things that they found that was fine, no need to criticise them for that......

OF course nothing ever changes with you does it VIRII, as per usual you bring in muslims/islam into a thread that has nothing to do with those topics. So kindly keep on topic please and refrain from the childish snipes from the sidelines...yes i know im an easy target because firstly i dont stand for your rubbish and secondly because i just happen to be a muslim myself...but doesnt really bother me...i just find it amusing/pathetic that you need to answer every one of my posts with a cheap jibe about my religion....at least come up with something a bit more relevant eh??.

Anyways im done with this topic...

 

[RDM]

OF course nothing ever changes with you does it VIRII, as per usual you bring in muslims/islam into a thread that has nothing to do with those topics.

I am pretty sure Islam and muslims have an awful lot to do with partition, I know our histories of the Indian sub continent differ quite a bit but religion was a major factor in the formation of East and West Pakistan...

 

[Yas786]

I am pretty sure Islam and muslims have an awful lot to do with partition, I know our histories of the Indian sub continent differ quite a bit but religion was a major factor in the formation of East and West Pakistan...

Im not saying it didnt have anything to do with it, it did play a part but i wouldnt quite call it a major factor...if anything the major factor was the British doing what they did as been previously mentioned in this thread. But thats my opinion that i have formed after reading the books i have and looking on the net for info ie wiki. Whether you agree with it or not is neither here or there..its what i have concluded after learning much about the partition and why it happened etc.

But lets not forget the hindhu's and sikhs are as much to blame as the muslims are for the partition....lets not all pin the blame on the muslims as you seem to imply...it does take 2 to tango as the saying goes.

 

[pallys]

Google the Koh-i-noor Diamond. The largest diamond in the world found in India. Uterly worthless to anyone who lacked the ability to cut it or sell it or to find someone with the cash to buy it.

Utterly worthless? In your opinion maybe, but to some people things have sentimental value...you know not everything is about £££.

India have tried to claim the Kohinoor back many times, but the government refuses. Meanwhile the Queen proudly wears the Kohinoor in her Crown.

 

[RDM]

Im not saying it didnt have anything to do with it, it did play a part but i wouldnt quite call it a major factor...if anything the major factor was the British doing what they did as been previously mentioned in this thread.

You honestly think that Islam wasn't a major factor in partition? Despite it being the muslims that were calling for their own country? Muslims wanting their own country was the reason that partition happened in the first place.

But thats my opinion that i have formed after reading the books i have and looking on the net for info ie wiki. Whether you agree with it or not is neither here or there..its what i have concluded after learning much about the partition and why it happened etc.

Are you confusing partition with the violence that followed? Partition came about ONLY because of muslim pressure on the British and no other reason. They wanted an independant muslim nation, they didn't want to be part of the rest of India. The violence that followed is a different matter all together, blame for that lies in part with the British for the poor plan and with Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims who actually commited the violence.

But lets not forget the hindhu's and sikhs are as much to blame as the muslims are for the partition....lets not all pin the blame on the muslims as you seem to imply...it does take 2 to tango as the saying goes.

No, the Hindus and Sikhs were as much to blame for the violence that happened during partition, but it was not they that lobbied the British for their own land.

 

[Yas786]

You honestly think that Islam wasn't a major factor in partition? Despite it being the muslims that were calling for their own country? Muslims wanting their own country was the reason that partition happened in the first place.



Are you confusing partition with the violence that followed? Partition came about ONLY because of muslim pressure on the British and no other reason. They wanted an independant muslim nation, they didn't want to be part of the rest of India. The violence that followed is a different matter all together, blame for that lies in part with the British for the poor plan and with Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims who actually commited the violence.



No, the Hindus and Sikhs were as much to blame for the violence that happened during partition, but it was not they that lobbied the British for their own land.

Ahhh fair enough, i take back my earlier comments. I guess i was confused about the partition and violence that followed it later. Apologies and thanks for pointing it out.

 

[VIRII]

As far as im concerned, the British took/stole the koh-i-noor from India...thats the point i was making...and its one you cannot deny that your so called great British Empire were nothing more than a bunch of thieves and mauraders.

LOL. Islam was spread by thieves and marauders Syria, Egypt, Aghanistan.... the list goes on and on. Thankfully the British and the crusaders kicked the muslims out of most of Europe though
As far as you are concerned .... you mean you need it in simple basic terms because the complexities are beyond you?

OF course nothing ever changes with you does it VIRII, as per usual you bring in muslims/islam into a thread that has nothing to do with those topics.

LOL. Islam has nothing to do with the partition of India? Are you really that uneducated?

So kindly keep on topic please and refrain from the childish snipes from the sidelines...yes i know im an easy target because firstly i dont stand for your rubbish and secondly because i just happen to be a muslim myself...but doesnt really bother me...i just find it amusing/pathetic that you need to answer every one of my posts with a cheap jibe about my religion....at least come up with something a bit more relevant eh??.

The topic as you can see from the thread title is "India/Pakistan division". How could Islam be any more related to the topic? ROFLMFAO.

Anyways im done with this topic...

You clearly do not even know what the topic is though do you
Now if you are going to suggest that colonisation is bad then you have little choice but to look at islamic conquest and colonisation do you. Or is it a case of "Islam does only good, Britain does only bad" which seems to be about as deep as your comprehension goes on those two subjects. Must be awful for you having to live here though eh

 

[VIRII]

Utterly worthless? In your opinion maybe, but to some people things have sentimental value...you know not everything is about £££.

India have tried to claim the Kohinoor back many times, but the government refuses. Meanwhile the Queen proudly wears the Kohinoor in her Crown.

If you can't convert an item into something else then it is utterly worthless.
Sentimental value? LOL.

 

[VIRII]

Im not saying it didnt have anything to do with it, it did play a part but i wouldnt quite call it a major factor...if anything the major factor was the British doing what they did as been previously mentioned in this thread.

OF course nothing ever changes with you does it VIRII, as per usual you bring in muslims/islam into a thread that has nothing to do with those topics. So kindly keep on topic please ...

ROFFLES
It has NOTHING to do with it..... except everything lol.
Typical Spawn, doesn't even realise the thread is about pakistan, formed by muslims, for muslims, from India.... rant rant rant... Islam has nothing to do with it .....

 

[VIRII]

Ahhh fair enough, i take back my earlier comments. I guess i was confused about the partition and violence that followed it later. Apologies and thanks for pointing it out.

Hmmm wiki is pretty clear about it, are you sure you actually read anything about it at all? Seems to me that you are spouting garbage and backpedalling on a subject that you know squat about although it could reasonably be assumed you'd have tried to learn a little about it.
I think your summary earlier was accurate. As far as you are concerned it was all the fault of the British and you've never even bothered to look into it any deeper than that. Such ignorance

You didn't even think about how Islam came to India either.... by conquest....

 

[Sudden]

Ok, have only glanced over the last 2 pages so excuse me if I missed anything

To the people who believe India would not have amounted to much if England had not invaded : completely untrue. True that at that point of time they did not unity, but it has existed under previous leaders such as Akbar the Great and Asoka the Great who conquered pretty much most of India and was very prosperous under them. If it can happen then, it can happen again. Links to western world etc, while the language that the British left behind is indeed a massive asset to us currently, China seems to be doing fairly well without it. No reason we can't do the same.

As for the partition, my history is a bit sketchy, and I haven't done it great detail, but basically, the Muslims wanted their own country, which occurred due to the British pushing them to do so from an earlier stage so they could follow thier divide and Conquer policy. The main reason it did at the end occur though, at least in my mind and plenty of other people I know, was that Gandhi agreed to it. If he never agreed to it, which, believe me, plenty of people did not want him to, it would never have happened.
And before anyone goes on about how his popularity shows how much of the public followed him, other leaders like Bhagat Singh and Subash Chandra Bose followed a non-peaceful way to independence, and were equally popular.

Personally, I feel that while Gandhi did achieve a lot in unifying all opposition etc. (tis not to say other leaders were not managing the same) his methods would never have worked to drive them out of India. Only reason it happened, was because at that point, Britain was economically very weak (post WW II etc) and did not have the resources anymore to properly fight back the resistance. Do you think if it was solely peaceful resistance, they would have left out of the goodness of their heart when it was such a rich colony?

 

[pallys]

If you can't convert an item into something else then it is utterly worthless.
Sentimental value? LOL.

Rubbish. Pieces of ART etc have value, but it doesn't mean the owner wants to sell it for it to have value, because its a prized possession.

Like my Grandad had medals for serving in the War, its a prized family possession and you don't have to sell it for it to have value, neither is it worthless,it has sentimental value.

The Kohinoor was also a possession in the same way but was forced to give up it up to Britain at the time.

 

[Mik3]

The British treated the natives as 2nd class, there was an episode where the British opened fire on hundreds of unarmed civilians.

Edit: http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/India/IndiaInd.html

 

[Mik3]

The main reason it did at the end occur though, at least in my mind and plenty of other people I know, was that Gandhi agreed to it. If he never agreed to it, which, believe me, plenty of people did not want him to, it would never have happened.

Gandhi was very much against it, he agreed for peace.

"I am a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew"

He is awesome.