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New D3 & D300?

I must admit, now the mayhem has calmed down a little, I'm very curious to see what the test images from these camera's will be like. If the image quality isn't that different between the two I may end up changing my order to a D300 and waiting for the higher mp D3x next year.

Although that said, I think part of me is just reluctant to lose the extra 'reach' DX gives you! I need to be brave soldier and accept full frame is the future :)
 
Messiah Kahn, given your spending habits of late I hereby utterly forbid you from buying either of these new cameras! It's bad enough that you kick my arse at dragonflies, the only consolation I have is my beautiful D200 :D
 
I always liked Nikon Pro bodies but I just feel with this one the extras are gimmics rushed to push sales over competior

The horizon level is a great feature but near pointless unless your doing tripod work as its displayed on the lcd, it needs to have a beep or visual confirmation in the viewfinder to make this a better feature.

ISO performance, If this can't finally wack out high quality pictures at ISOs up to 3200 then I am not impressed. This boost could be just the same thing as wacking up exposure in RAW which is awful.

11 FPS is my main woe with this camera. They have done this in order to grab people who are just looking at the front card of a sale item. "wow its more than Canon! up yours" Cept with Canon at 1fps less your still getting full res. 5mp files are the cost of having that extra 2 fps. This could have been planned so much better had taken their sweet time.

Not having a go at Nikon as I love the company. I just feel that way about those 3 features.

D300 however is a screamer.
 
Fstop11 said:
The horizon level is a great feature but near pointless unless your doing tripod work as its displayed on the lcd, it needs to have a beep or visual confirmation in the viewfinder to make this a better feature.
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You can view the level function on the rear LCD, on the top LCD or through the viewfinder. So I think its a very very useful feature for both hand held and tripod work.

Fstop11 said:
ISO performance, If this can't finally wack out high quality pictures at ISOs up to 3200 then I am not impressed. This boost could be just the same thing as wacking up exposure in RAW which is awful.
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I'm with you here, the ISO performance needs to be much better than it has been in the past!

Fstop11 said:
11 FPS is my main woe with this camera. They have done this in order to grab people who are just looking at the front card of a sale item. "wow its more than Canon! up yours" Cept with Canon at 1fps less your still getting full res. 5mp files are the cost of having that extra 2 fps. This could have been planned so much better had taken their sweet time.
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Or, you could see it that at 1fps less than the Canon your getting a higher res image. Its all swings and roundabout. I have a feeling the D3 might be an interim camera before something better comes along next year. The trouble is, its been so long since the last pro body that they had to get smething out there now. If they waited a little lonfer to make it 11fps at full res then they might as well have waited a little longer than that to get it at 13fps...then if your doing that why not wait a little longer and go for 14fps...repeat until bored lol.
I think they did the right thing keeping the resolution at 12mp and sacrificing 1fps over Canon at full res. And don't forget Nikon did a good thing keeping DX lens owners sweet with the auto DX crop. They could have just made it so that you were buggered if you had DX lenses but as usual they came up with a solution to a new problem which allows compatability with all their lenses.

Fstop11 said:
Not having a go at Nikon as I love the company. I just feel that way about those 3 features.

D300 however is a screamer.
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No doubting your love for Nikon, but I hope you'll give these issues some more thought. You can't really knock the ISO yet as there are no examples and your problem with the level feature has been solved without you knowing it already had been lol

D300 is one great camera though your right!!

:)
 
King4aDay said:
Messiah Kahn, given your spending habits of late I hereby utterly forbid you from buying either of these new cameras! It's bad enough that you kick my arse at dragonflies, the only consolation I have is my beautiful D200 :D
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:D Looks at creditcard bill; "Hmm, whats those two D3s and 600mm f4 doing there?" :p Nah, I would love a new body sometime, but at the moment I can't really justify it tbh. First I want; A gimbal head, Sigma TCs and a flashgun. Then id probably start looking at D2Xs or D300. (Although Id need to win the lottery first)
 
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I do stand corrected on the level issue, I was going off what I read in some other forum post. I haven't had time to properly dig out facts but I do stand completely beside myself on the fps and iso issue.

My argument isn't that the ISO will be noisey more the advertising scam that is the boost! Its tacky and lets face it any boost is possible with any basic image editing package and that is all this cam offers. Hardly something worth advertising.

Fps, just the way its marketed. 8fps is still more than enough to capture great photography.

On the whole matter I am just interested what the D3x and the Mark IIIn have in store. It really will be battle of the added features.
 
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My argument isn't that the ISO will be noisey more the advertising scam that is the boost! Its tacky and lets face it any boost is possible with any basic image editing package and that is all this cam offers. Hardly something worth advertising.

Fps, just the way its marketed. 8fps is still more than enough to capture great photography.
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Early reports are saying the camera is supposed to be usable happily up to 6400, thats good enough for me - the boost to 26,000 I haven't even let sunk it because it will obviously not be of much real use so I'm not letting it bother me. And they have called it Hi1 and Hi2 or whatever it is to get beyond 6400 so anyone who knows anything about camera's will know its just a software boost, and Nikon know this. Specs don't say ISO 200 - 26,000. They say 200 - 6400 with Hi1 and Hi2 taking it up to 26,000. Its no scam :)

If you think 8fps is good enough and this does 9 at full res I don't see why its bothering you that they can say it will do up to 11!?

I'm absolutely not having a dig, just not sure why your not impressed with the advertised claims when the reality of the camera's specs are still seriously impressive.

Every company in the world claims something above what you'd expect, look at car manufacturers. There was some car a few years back that was said to be able to do 650 miles on a full tank or something...yeah sure, and when they did that test it was probably with a slight downhill, tail wind and at 1k revs in 6th gear...lol. They still say it'll do it though because it 'can' if they conditions are right. Marketing is always about getting one up on the competition, always will be.

Seriously don't let the marketing figures put a downer on the camera for you, usable ISO 6400 and 9 fps at 12mp is brilliant! And thats the way most people will see the specs.

Very excited to see what the D3x will bring though as you say. I reckon 22 mp at 6 or 7 frames a second. Beautiful! :D
 
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Is starting to sound like an out of control debate huh.

It is great specs regardless. Just Canon v Nikon war no matter how much we love each other.
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arrrgh we are turning in to DPR!! :D

Bottom line, they both make great stuff. I actually get quite excited when either bring out something new because I just love gadgets and technology lol
 
all these new tech and I'm still paying off my Canon 30D (£950) :(, £450 to go.

Is there any way to return it back and get the Canon 40D :o
 
aztechnology said:
I used to, but now I feel just a little bit dissapointed everytime Canon release something new, and a little bit envious everytime Nikon do...
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Thats only because Canon bring out new stuff then 6 months later the new Nikons come out so it seems like the bar has been raised. But then you only have to wait a while after that for the next Canon so no need to feel disappointed/envious :)
 
SilverPenguin said:
Bottom line, they both make great stuff. I actually get quite excited when either bring out something new because I just love gadgets and technology lol
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Definitely! And let's face it, Canon wouldn't be making the standard of cameras they do without Nikon's competition—and obviously vice versa. It's great to be the beneficiaries of that competition :)
 
D3 test shots are starting to surface.

This one is taken at ISO 3200, its about a thousand times better than anything my D2x can do so I'm happy! There are loads of other test images about but a lot are cropped or resized, this is full res.

D3, ISO 3200, no NR

Of course its a fairly bright scene anyway but for 3200 I think its very impressive!
 
This is the actual full res version.
http://pixmariage.free.fr/d3/

Looks amazing!


I loved the Nikon handling and was saddned when my D70 broke and Canon 30D was the only camera to fit my needs and price range but I'd be tempted to go back to Nikon. Its not only the ISO but the general Nikon feel and ruggedness suited for Mongolian weather from extreme -30 to +30.

If the Nikon D300 ISO is good as D3 either switch or find and affordable brand new clearance 1D Mark II N.
 
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