Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)
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Soldato
Seems like it. Dont forget the army of terrorist refugees that will claim permanent residency and will magically gain access to the UK, despite them requiring to go through the same process as migrants from outside the eu...
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Oh dear, I think you just pushed [TW]Fox into the leave camp.
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Soldato
Gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8
Caporegime
It's Guido. What do you expect?
Those bandying on about EU vs non-EU migration, did you look at figures? In the year ending September 2015, the net migration of EU vs. non-EU was 172,00 vs 191,000. This means we took in more people overall from non-EU countries than we did from the EU.
Question for the more knowledgeable: what controls do we have over non-EU immigration? Complete?
Question for the more knowledgeable: what controls do we have over non-EU immigration? Complete?
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People are more concerned where the hundreds of thousands now entering Europe are going to end up in 2017 and on than what happened *LAST* year though. Things are changing fast, and Liberal attitudes don't house, educate and medicate. Peoples taxes do.
How does being in or out of the EU change any of that?
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Once Merkel's newest members of society have been there a short while they will gain EU passports, making them free to travel within Europe as they please. The UK will be a huge draw, with our policies and generosities towards migrants and foreigners being what they are. For those that are either already illegally here, or clandestinely entering by land sea and air, they often use the European Court of Human Rights as a means to avoid deportation. Without the UK leaving the EU it's apparently all but impossible to divorce ourselves from its much abused jurisdiction.
The social and political experiment that was the EU is over, it's in meltdown, socially and economically. Like any partnership it takes little to destabilise it, and its very foundations are now rocking violently.
Soldato
That's a side step.
We already have more non EU migrants than EU. If we aren't stopping the non-eu then a brexit based on immigration is just stupid. We would be ditching all the benefits to still not control immigration?
Refugees do not gain the right to an EU passport. They would not be able to settle in the UK legally whether we're in or out of the EU.
Soldato
The ECHR is not a EU thing. Even after a brexit were still part of it.
Caporegime
In the EU we are not allowed control our borders. Outside of the EU we do have that option. If the government of the day were to decide to do nothing when faced with the current unsustainable level of immigration then they must explain to the country why. At the moment it seems that everyone just accepts unsustainable immigration because we are in the EU.
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Naturalisation will occur between 3 to 10 years after they are processed, and unless they commit a serious offence or fail to show any ability with the hosts native tongue they will get it. Then they can travel as freely as their countrymen. They will then be like the dross of Romania and Bulgaria camping on London streets and in London parks in between criminal activity, with their hosts more than eager to see the back of them. Many Germans are already fed up with them and actively engaging them. They will become eager to shift elsewhere, and they will ALSO have gained the ability to claim others back home are family members and fetch them over, too. So let's say they claim 4 near kith and kin each. Do the maths....
The Govt. can cut migration by imposing restrictions for non-EU yet they don't have to explain anything and no one is asking them why.
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We've always had more net migration from outside the EU and bloody well should do given we're talking 65 million to 300 million (EU Migration) vs 65 million to 6.5 BILLION (Rest of the World Migration).
In other words the EU are providing 47% of our net migration despite comprising of only 4.3% of the global population outside the UK.
The problem is EU migration which should be lower given the vast difference in possible numbers is not only close to the rest of the world but since 1993 (when we joined the EU) gone from 0 to where it is today....
It's the trend and the context which is scary, you can't just look at the absolute numbers.
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Caporegime
People do ask them why and the first sentence in the response is always "Well of course we can't do anything about migration to and from the EU...".
we don't have to be part of it if we exit
Soldato
And you accept that?
Yes they do, subject to say three years of naturalisation, and a Secret Squirrel promise to not blow anything up.
If Turkey became a member of the EU they could arbitrarily decide that naturalisation was done in one year, hand out EU citizenship to people we'd hoped were not coming back and then sit back and laugh their socks off.
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