Brexit thread - what happens next
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Man of Honour
Thing is they may not even be forced to leave.
I guess the NHS is worried that they will voluntarily leave due to atmosphere, fear of being forced to leave etc
Its no problem though, all the jobs that dem migrants have been taking will be filled by the UK nationals that have been losing out. right?
Indeed!
Oh nor I, but I think it just highlights how many people are here working in critical jobs that perhaps wasn't thought of. I'm also assuming they will need work visas though which adds a lot of administration and cost?
I and many other dual nationals, and other Europeans are not going anywhere from the conversations I've had - but there may be issues causing a want to leave or a need to leave?
I know it is just a superfluous and sensationalist piece of news, but it just highlights some potential issues if things are not handled sensibly.
Indeed it was. And yes, pretty much everyone wants them to stay. Which makes the whole Brexit about Europeans leaving thing even stranger to me.
Commissario
They were probably trying to avoid it as it would be useless speculation.
The Police have said today that they think they were friends from London, and despite rumours otherwise they were dressed in clothing you'd expect on the beach.
Associate
If the stupidly high work permit wage requirement was scrapped they could all be granted one just like that.
Soldato
Thing is they may not even be forced to leave.
I guess the NHS is worried that they will voluntarily leave due to atmosphere, fear of being forced to leave etc
Its no problem though, all the jobs that dem migrants have been taking will be filled by the UK nationals that have been losing out. right?
Perhaps the NHS can start hiring British born medical staff rather than ignoring them for non-EU applicants?
source? Last I heard we didn't have enough British nurses hence the NHS sourcing them from outside the country.
Soldato
You dangle the bait long enough eventually someone will come along and bite
Go to BBC, type in NHS recruitment in the search box, see how many articles come up. All the same general message, can't fill vacancies so end up HAVING to go for foreign workers in order to avoid shortages.
Soldato
Trained medical staff that are British born tend to go private due to the money, better management and better hours.
The NHS does not hire non EU nationals because they ignore the British, no matter what the Daily Mail say and click-bait pieces say. Staff are turned down for certain positions because they do not have the experience for the role. The recruited nurses in the east are not only well trained but have a lot of experience in busy understaffed environments and are proven performers. Let the inexperienced British nurses keep work their current roles to get a few more years under their belt before sticking them in the deep end for the sake of 'they're British'. Recruiting abroad is costly but negligible in the long run. A trip for a few senior nurse recruiters shy's in cost compare to the labour they will come back with.
There are enough British nurses but they dont want to do grunt nurse placements in the NHS. The current nurses want more senior positions despite not having the experience for it.
The three nurses i have lived with, my girlfriends mother (senior nurse) and Fillipino nurses i am related to, have all told me this.
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Man of Honour
They're not ignoring them. There are far more vacancies than there are medical professionals who are qualified for the role. Many hospitals struggle to recruit enough staff, if there was domestic supply, they'd be employed.
From the infinite pool of people with relevant skills / qualifications?
Soldato
Doesnt matter if they are qualified, as long as they are white and British!
Why pay foreigners when we can pay ourselves?
Take back the NHS and make it ours!
This comment (see replies) illustrates why the referendum was a bad idea, people cannot be relied on to form correct views; in this case conflating the 'EU immigrants taking UK jobs' rhetoric with NHS staff shortages.
Are you going to magic up these British born medical staff?
The NHS cannot find enough British born medical staff, which is why it hires so many johnny foreigners, and pays locums ridiculous amounts of money to fill shifts.
Its no problem though, all the jobs that dem migrants have been taking will be filled by the UK nationals that have been losing out. right?
Yep, the NHS can start giving the jobs to the British born inexperienced staff members who want to go on strike every 5 minutes.
Soldato
Maybe we could have 2 lanes in hosiptals, airport customs style,
Red lane (to match the blood pressure) brexit voters, staffed only by brits
Blue lane, staffed by the best people qualified to do the job
Leaving the EU doesn't mean that we'll only have British staff, it means we can recruit World wide and treat everyone the same, whether they're from the Europe, South America or Asia, and we'll have more places because we won't have the sky high immigration numbers we have now.
Funny you should say that but 6 have been safely delivered to these shores this morning from a small boat off Dover by a border force cutter.
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They were from London. However there is a boatload of migrants rescued off the Kent coast this morning. I guess they made it to the Promised Land after all as its highly unlikely they'll be deported.
Most of them bugger off abroad half the medics in Australia appear to be white and British.
Soldato
Just the same as we do now you mean?
Or is there some secret EU legislation I am unaware of that says we can only employ EU nurses?
There is no positive discrimination to take on EU over UK or foreign workers unless I am mistaken... in fact I believe that would be illegal.
More places because we reduce immigration?, places for what for who?
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