Give up your spare room for a grand?

[DaleTheWhale]

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[hondo]

I wouldn’t do it for £5000 a month. Having some stranger be a burden on your life? No thanks.

+1

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I don't think anyone expected this to work or come to fruition. Maybe the proposal of the idea served to draw attention to the need for beds? Who knows. We always hear about staff shortages, lack of beds and other resources but headlines like this probably get a bit more people thinking about the issues of the NHS a beyond the dismissing it as a lost cause because money's too tight to mention.

Would have been funny to see a headline 'London refuses uber's license over concern for vulnerable customer safety' on the same page as 'strangers to be paid £1000 to house hospital patients'

 

[DrToffnar]

This thread is gold. I feared for a while that all the **** posters had gone, then BAM! Basically all here at once!

8/10 GGWP

 

[Glaucus]

Maybe in the 60's and 70's but I haven't seen any recent evidence for that. Do you have it? I have heard them say many times what apollo made but I also read a book that said how the Shuttle wasn't a success financially at all.

thats just not the case, Shuttle wasn't a success but that is far from the only thing nasa does, its also far from the shuttle was a financial black hole. it still advanced many technologies and still added to the economy, it just never became the cheap access to space truck it was envisioned as.
https://www.thebalance.com/nasa-budget-current-funding-and-history-3306321

 

[LabR@t]

If they gained politically from doing so, then ofc they would.

This is a thread about NHS hospital beds, not foreign aid or Pakistani budgeting, take your prejudices elsewhere if you don't want to keep this on topic. Make your own thread if you feel the need.

So the money we spend on wealthy foreign countries has zero bearing on the lack of funds available to the UK? Would like to explain this?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

So the money we spend on wealthy foreign countries has zero bearing on the lack of funds available to the UK? Would like to explain this?

To put it simply, we don't spend what we have available, we spend what we feel we need to. The governments funds and budget is not the same as your wallet and shopping list...

Why is this difficult to understand?

 

[Stretch]

It's not so much that the quality of care is decreasing, it's that the number of people requiring treatment is forever on the increase. Not too mention that the very nature of medical science constantly progresses and treatments become ever more expensive. Then there's the fact that NHS staff just aren't paid enough. Even admin staff are leaving to go work at private GP's and the like. There's just so many factors to take into account.

No matter how much money the NHS get's, it will never be enough.

All those extra people, living longer, staying healthy. Sounds like a fiscal nightmare. If only there were a solution to this problem.

 

[G-MAN2004]

And people want to let in millions of refugees. That'll be sure to ease the burden on the already struggling health service.

 

[LabR@t]

To put it simply, we don't spend what we have available, we spend what we feel we need to. The governments funds and budget is not the same as your wallet and shopping list...

Why is this difficult to understand?

Oh I see, lets just build some hospitals then if we need them, whats the problem?

 

[Chris Wilson]

And people want to let in millions of refugees. That'll be sure to ease the burden on the already struggling health service.

No, no, we don't understand, we NEED them to look after us all, and there are many many professionals amongst them, medics, doctors, radiographers, radiologists, specialists. They just forgot their money, papers, wives, sisters and mothers, as you do....

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Oh I see, lets just build some hospitals then if we need them, whats the problem?

The problem lies with staffing them, it's like talking to a brick wall...

We do not have the staff to fill the hospitals we already have open now. We close wards all the time as mentioned in the thread already. People are leaving the NHS because it is become less desirable organisation to work for as time goes on. We have expensive foreign recruitment programs as a mid term solution because we cannot fill the vacancies internally. We use expensive agencies to plug the gaps on the short term.

As for resources in terms of money, it can make its current budget stretch much further if it was ran differently. If you want to continue running it as it is being run now, then obviously you need to throw more money at it to make it better, but that isn't a solution, its stupid to just throw money at something until it works. NHS needs to cull the corrupt that inhabit the upper levels of management, who hand out huge lucrative business/pharmaceutical contracts for mates and bribes. Prescriptions like paracetamol that really should be bought at the supermarket can cost literately 20 times more for the NHS due to these poor contracts, possibly a lot more when you include time wasted dispensing these off the shelf drugs. There is more to effective managing than paying the bill, but if paying the bill is your focus, cutting the costs should be your main aim, rather than finding the money...

 

[LabR@t]

As for resources in terms of money, it can make its current budget stretch much further if it was ran differently. If you want to continue running it as it is being run now, then obviously you need to throw more money at it to make it better, but that isn't a solution, its stupid to just throw money at something until it works. .

You mean like giving billions to despots in corrupt foreign countries and expecting things to change? Instead use that money to build hospitals and pay for staff, it really isn't rocket science you know.

£1000,000,000 = 30k a year will give you roughly 33333 nurses a year.

I am not opposed to foreign aid, just make it less and to people who really need it, leaving more for the people who need it here in the UK. Why is that so wrong?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

You mean like given billions to despots in corrupt foreign countries and expecting things to change?

As said before, we give billions for political reasons. We wouldn't keep giving if we weren't getting something out of it?

You are hopeless and your argument is long tired. I am bring up relevant points on the NHS and you cant stop going on about foreign stuff.

 

[LabR@t]

As said before, we give billions for political reasons. We wouldn't keep giving if we weren't getting something out of it?

You are hopeless and your argument is long tired. I am bring up relevant points on the NHS and you cant stop going on about foreign stuff.

ok I agree, but why can't just give less, spending the money saved on the NHS infrastructure and staffing? Do you have an answer?

 

[gary996]

All those extra people, living longer, staying healthy. Sounds like a fiscal nightmare. If only there were a solution to this problem.

There is another world war

 

[Orcish-Horde]

NHS trialling Airbnb-style stays in people's spare rooms for patients recovering from operations.
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You would end up with a frail OAP with health visitors in and out of your house all day or worse and an AOP with a history of sex offences that you can't throw out as you are tied up in contracts. Even worse a poisionous old hag that makes your life hell.

 

[phonemonkey]

why do you doubt that - if these people lived with a partner then they'd not need this and yet most people's partner's aren't medically qualified etc..

these can literally be things like someone can't use stairs for a couple of weeks etc..

I'm not sure you need any qualifications to heat up 3 microwave meals a day

And what about cleaning bed after the incontinent and confused little old lady pulls off the incontinence pad? Or picking her up off the floor when she falls? Who manages her medication for her if she's too confused to do it?

All of these things are going to happen. After all if they really needed no care, or no additional care, theyd be discharged home, wouldnt they? Who is responsible?

 

[gettothechopper]

ok I agree, but why can't just give less, spending the money saved on the NHS infrastructure and staffing? Do you have an answer?

We send the EU £350 million a week, lets fund our NHS instead!

 

[LabR@t]

There is another world war

Don't think this generation could handle a 'hot' war.