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So, 19th March GDC Nvidia Key Note

After the last few months of frankly fleecing the market, they can announce whatever they want, it’s a huge .i.. from me, and that’s from a user with two 1070’s - not your average casual gamer.

If this doesn’t worry them then I give up, and - more than likely - give up with gaming on a PC.

Perhaps this is what they want? - it’s what I feel I’m being steered toward....
 
@melmac But, amusingly, you've already acknowledged that in the past nV changed their naming scheme purely for marketing reasons... yet you say that's a crazy reason to do it now?

At least my argument isn't totally inconsistent :p

And we've already established that the idea of the 1080 being the "10th generation" nV GPU is purely in your head. Nobody else refers to them like that.

Oh and lastly I said they might call it 1180 (etc). But I disagreed that this was anything to do with the "generation" of the card. I said the choice would be 100% down to the marketing dept. They will choose a name which they feel resonates better with the customer. There will be no other consideration. "Generations" won't come in to it at all.

So before you start making things up, I will repeat that I think it's more likely it'll be the 20xx series, but I never claimed to know they won't use the 11xx nomenclature. They may well do. Just not for the bizarro reasons you have invented :p
 
Imo it will be the 2000 series. Can’t be sure obviously, but I am pretty sure it will be.
 
After the last few months of frankly fleecing the market, they can announce whatever they want, it’s a huge .i.. from me, and that’s from a user with two 1070’s - not your average casual gamer.

If this doesn’t worry them then I give up, and - more than likely - give up with gaming on a PC.

Perhaps this is what they want? - it’s what I feel I’m being steered toward....

By fleecing the market, do you mean the current high prices? If so then surely that's just down to simple supply and demand. High demand from crypto miners, supply can't keep up and suppliers are cashing in. If anything it's Overclockers and all the other retailers who you should be protesting!

Unless I'm misunderstanding? (Which is very possible!)
 
Titan out first? I hope so

I would bet from experience this is the first Volta card that is not 2500 quid. So this is the mainstream Titan at £1200 and limited to one per customer on the Nvidia site only.

And with the returns on one mining i bet people snap them up. Volta for everyone else? Folks your not getting one under £750 before christmas.
 
Is vulgar that great at mining? Was kinda hoping that the mining software might take a month or 2 to make use of the new cards, giving us all half a chance to grab one before they become hens teeth
 
By fleecing the market, do you mean the current high prices? If so then surely that's just down to simple supply and demand. High demand from crypto miners, supply can't keep up and suppliers are cashing in. If anything it's Overclockers and all the other retailers who you should be protesting!

Unless I'm misunderstanding? (Which is very possible!)
It’s very probable that I’m the misunderstanding one but I’m just reflecting both my and my close gaming mates feelings and perception of this current pricing situation (of GPU’s in particular)

Ultimately Nvidia set the RRP and I’m sure they could up production if the demand was really that high but, looking at their financial results they seem to be doing very well selling these volumes but at inflated prices, why up production when you can sell the same volumes for more? - Apple only last week conceded they were following this very approach.

The crypto bubble is slowly bursting I think but I still don’t buy into the whole “it’s miners killing supply”

Yes, OC/UK are making a killing, but for how much longer will their customer base put up with it? They are a business very much geared toward PC gamers yet the prices are alienating large swathes of their potential customers, I look my close pc gaming friends, not one has upgraded via buying new this year due to prices and a couple have thrown in the towel and sold their rigs in favour of consoles.

I’m sure OC/UK’s response would be “margins are tight, we try to get the best deal for our customers” but then again those same customers then see the purchasing managers newly acquired Jag SVR all over the forums.... Nothing against Gibbo, please don’t get me wrong - I like the guy, he works hard and is good at his job, good luck to the guy and frankly I don’t have an issue with him whatsoever - it’s more the perception this paints to end users - I know I’m not alone in this view - then again, it’s always been thus, I remember many posts by the former owner on the one hand pointing out margins were tight but on the other hand uploading threads saying words to the effect of “Hey look at the nice new Ferrari you’ve all paid for”......

My group of mates are not kids, we’re all middle aged with jobs and spare cash but are unwilling to spend such huge sums to fulfill what’s ultimately a hobby that’s mainly a few hours at weekends or the odd hour here & there through the week, we’ll carry on gaming in the main I’m sure but it won’t be by buying new at these prices unless things change drastically, and if things don’t change then both the GPU manufacturers and OC/UK et al will all lose out in the long term.
 
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I’m sure OC/UK’s response would be “margins are tight, we try to get the best deal for our customers” but then again those same customers then see the purchasing managers newly acquired Jag SVR all over the forums.... Nothing against Gibbo, please don’t get me wrong - I like the guy, he works hard and is good at his job, good luck to the guy and frankly I don’t have an issue with him whatsoever - it’s more the perception this paints to end users - I know I’m not alone in this view - then again, it’s always been thus, I remember many posts by the former owner on the one hand pointing out margins were tight but on the other hand uploading threads saying words to the effect of “Hey look at my nice new Ferrar you’ve all paid for”......

Have to say this is a kind of alien perspective to me - maybe in a smaller family run business there might be an expectation of taking a bit of a hit to feed back into growing the company or reduced prices to the customer, etc. but as long as your business is healthy even if margins are slim there are certain levels of life style a certain level of role will allow and some people might focus their income in one area more than others such as a nice car but live in a tiny terrace house, etc. etc.

Now if Gibbo was paying himself 6 figure bonuses while the pension pot suffered and claiming they couldn't afford to pay non-management staff bonuses, etc. that might be another story :D
 
Ultimately Nvidia set the RRP and I’m sure they could up production if the demand was really that high but, looking at their financial results they seem to be doing very well selling these volumes but at inflated prices, why up production when you can sell the same volumes for more? - Apple only last week conceded they were following this very approach

I don't really know enough about Nvidia's business model, but from what I understand they design the chip and other manufacturers (MSI, ASUS, Zotac...) manufacture and distribute. If this were the case then surely it's the manufactures and retailers who we should be looking at?
 
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I don't really know enough about Nvidia's business model, but from what I understand they design the chip and other manufacturers (MSI, ASUS, Zotac...) manufacture and distribute. If this were the case then surely it's the manufactures and retailers who we should be looking at?

Nvidia make the chips then sell them onto the AiB's like MSI/Gigabyte/Asus etc who create the rest of the PCB the chips fit on.

From rumours floating about. A few AiB partners have been selling cards in bulk, direct to industrial scale miners meaning that stock will never get through to distribution/retail
 
I’m merely reflecting the perceptions (rightly or wrongly) of myself and my group of gaming mates, ultimately whoever is responsible for the price hikes its ultimately going to cost them more than the short term gains of these prices.

I referred to Gibbo and his car after a friend (who browses the forums regularly but isn’t a member) commented to me that he found it somewhat crass given the huge price hikes in GPU’s (I personally don’t but am pointing out the perception of a potential customer) I said to him it’s a successful business and why wouldn’t the staff be well paid and rewarded which he agreed with to a degree, but, he’s ultimately taken his business elsewhere for his upgrade (he bought a used 980ti in the end) and isn’t alone, I have another mate who wanted a new card around a year ago and I said to him (wrongly) to wait as cards always drop in price once they’ve been on the market a while!!

He was at the time after a 1080 (or whatever was the current top end card) to last him a few years like his old 780ti had done so,which cost him £400 odd when he bought it new.

Having seen today’s GPU prices he’s sold his rig and spent his upgrade budget on an X-Box One X and a decent 4K tv, he loves it and it’s cost him an awful lot less than the current cheapest (but out of stock) 1080ti which is £899.

That’s a customer that I doubt will return to OC/UK or PC gaming in general (after years of me and my mates trying to convert him to pc gaming initially, he made the plunge but has now been driven out again by prices)

I don’t think me and my peer group are the minority in starting to feel very disillusioned with the whole PC gaming scene.

Edit: my last few posts in this thread on reflection would probably be more appropriate in the “GPU prices go boom” thread, feel free to move them.
 
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So by the looks of it people here think that it is Gibbo that has put the prices up and is pocketing all the extra income. Lol.
I bet he hasn't even had a pay rise due to the increased prices.
Come to think of it, what about all those other new car threads he has posted over the years, is he really just siphoning off profit from case king and they havnt noticed, I don't think so somehow.
 
So by the looks of it people here think that it is Gibbo that has put the prices up and is pocketing all the extra income. Lol.
I bet he hasn't even had a pay rise due to the increased prices.

Not quite, but it would be interesting to know where the price rise comes in - whether it starts with Nvidia charging the likes of MSI and all more for the chips, MSI etc charging the suppliers more or just the retailers charging us more. Not pointing fingers, just wondering because someone's making some serious money here! (And by the way, I think they should be. Supply & demand and all that)
 
Its not only GPU prices which are an issue,but also RAM prices which have increased at a worse rate than GPU prices IMHO. I have some 2400MHZ DDR4 already but most of the newer CPUs prefer faster stuff,and there is no guarantee the stuff I have will overclock even a bit.

At this point its really put me off upgrading my IB Core i7 even though performance has decreased after all these new security updates.
 
So by the looks of it people here think that it is Gibbo that has put the prices up and is pocketing all the extra income. Lol.
I bet he hasn't even had a pay rise due to the increased prices.
Come to think of it, what about all those other new car threads he has posted over the years, is he really just siphoning off profit from case king and they havnt noticed, I don't think so somehow.
I’m not saying it’s Gibbo at all, I was just commenting on what a mate mentioned to me after seeing his SVR photos - My mate seems to have made the link between GPU pricing going nuts and OC/UK’s purchasing manager (if that’s what his title still is) getting a nice high end motor.
I didn’t personally agree with his view but found it interesting that to some that’s the perception and arguably you can see how that conclusion is arrived at to a certain degree,hence me commenting on it.

It’s a perception that’s out there - to some -rightly or wrongly.

I don’t think for a moment it’s anything to do with Gibbo or OC/UK for that matter, if Nvidia or AMD wanted to take a hit and lower GPU prices for gamers they easily could, but why would they when figures are so good for them at the moment.

They may , perhaps, once they’ve killed the golden goose by alienating gamers like me and my peer group and wonder why sales have plummeted, something that I suspect will soon happen given Crypto seems on a slide downhill, I just wonder who they’ll hope to have as customers if the mining craze fizzles out? - speaking from the perspective of a gamer, I’m very reluctant to throw any more money their way any time soon, I feel like we’ve been taken for fools by recent pricing and have no intention of forgetting that.
 
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