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Intel Meltdown and Specter fixes hampering Intel's gaming performance?

The premium they pay is for the "support" . People who buy stock PC's don't have the know how to fix them. I used to build everyone I knew PC's to give them a better performance for their money but you end up being technical support/ after sales for them all too. Given up on that now, build my own and tell everyone else to buy from Dell/ other.

Wouldn't surprise me if AT got it right, can't see what they could have done wrong tbh. The difference in results will be down to everything previously mentioned, pseudo stock cooler on Intel parts, full and complete spectre patching, running PB2 correctly, stock RAM speeds etc. Remove an one of those factors the results will change.
 
It could well be that most other reviewers didnt have a properly setup system, or it could be annandtech...
But if your reviewing a cpu it must be stock to stock and that means stock speeds, stock memory config, stock cooling and no motherboard tweaks.
XFR is an amd thing so is ok, MCE is not, neither should overclocked xpm profiles be used. All these things can be separately reviewed.
 
sideways14a said:
It could well be that most other reviewers didnt have a properly setup system, or it could be annandtech...
But if your reviewing a cpu it must be stock to stock and that means stock speeds, stock memory config, stock cooling and no motherboard tweaks.
XFR is an amd thing so is ok, MCE is not, neither should overclocked xpm profiles be used. All these things can be separately reviewed.
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It's that extras entirely what the "overclocked" section of reviews have always been for, for well over a decade.

It's how they test graphics cards still; all stock, then an extra section for overclocking and tweaking. CPU functions like XFR and Boost are normal and part of stock.

As for the Windows 10 Patches, I have Pro and have it set to never auto update, and to defer updates. Yet I still get it auto updating all the bloody time; I'll reboot or shutdown after work and BAM. *Configuring Windows updates".

So I'd say most users have the Windows parts of the mitigation there; but how many reviewers installed the BIOS, and Firmware.
 
I have the joyous responsibility of being in charge of our campus update schedule, sending out all the required (and tested) updates for 7/810 and various office versions is a monster sized pain in the poop chute. The system center upgrade packs that come from microsoft are huge, its a bigger pest sorting it all out than getting them..
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
As for the Windows 10 Patches, I have Pro and have it set to never auto update, and to defer updates. Yet I still get it auto updating all the bloody time; I'll reboot or shutdown after work and BAM. *Configuring Windows updates".
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Have you configured in Group Policy to disable automatical downloads of updates and to disable auto-reboots?
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Yeah no auto reboots; but when I do reboot it has that nasty, "Reboot and Update" there instead of just Reboot. So darn annoying, as I can go ages without it, and then suddenly it's there.
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Do you still get the updates downloaded automatically, if "Configure Automatic Updates" in Group Policy is enabled and set to "2 - Notify for download and auto install", and you never open the Windows Update window?

Right now mine is being held off for downloading, but I'll see how long it lasts.

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prjwebb said:
The other reviews haven't stated they are running these fixes etc. Something to keep an eye on I guess.
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B1gbeard said:
How many gamers will apply those patches though? Hardly any I imagine.
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They'd be stupid not too, I suppose that if they're PC is nothing but a gaming PC and not a household PC they may be less at risk but with the trend of online gaming with in-game purchases why risk it, I certainly wouldn't.
 
thebandit said:
The premium they pay is for the "support" . People who buy stock PC's don't have the know how to fix them. I used to build everyone I knew PC's to give them a better performance for their money but you end up being technical support/ after sales for them all too. Given up on that now, build my own and tell everyone else to buy from Dell/ other.

Wouldn't surprise me if AT got it right, can't see what they could have done wrong tbh. The difference in results will be down to everything previously mentioned, pseudo stock cooler on Intel parts, full and complete spectre patching, running PB2 correctly, stock RAM speeds etc. Remove an one of those factors the results will change.
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Ain't that the truth. Built a couple of PCs for family friends because I have MM access and could build them with a strict budget. I now get texts every couple of months for various issues. I'm happy to help every now and then but I've definitely learnt my lesson. I've had to say no to going over and taking a look and they've taken it personally on some accounts. :P
 
AiiR said:
Ain't that the truth. Built a couple of PCs for family friends because I have MM access and could build them with a strict budget. I now get texts every couple of months for various issues. I'm happy to help every now and then but I've definitely learnt my lesson. I've had to say no to going over and taking a look and they've taken it personally on some accounts. :p
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You built it and now its not working!!!!1!!

I don't think people make an effort to learn if they think someone else has "responsibility" for it. Something happened that never happened before? Better tell X to think about it for you.
 
That is rather interesting.
I wonder have intel not immediately realised how gimped their system are when it is a forces setting, ratherr than os choice.
Interesting that amd have shown little gimping of their systems forced or default.
All mainly in the 1080p fps.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

Anandtech, have finished their investigation and the issue is high precision event timer having a large penalty in games, upto 75% increase in FPS on intel systems when disabled. Moderate gains where seen on the AMD systems when disabling HPET.
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Yeah it was too obvious that Anand failed miserably, but apparently not for everyone here, which is extremely strange on such forums as this.
 
FloydCranks said:
Yeah it was too obvious that Anand failed miserably, but apparently not for everyone here, which is extremely strange on such forums as this.
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This forum community doesn't even agree on what colour it is.

Bizzare would be thinking there would be there would be agreement on anything.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

Anandtech, have finished their investigation and the issue is high precision event timer having a large penalty in games, upto 75% increase in FPS on intel systems when disabled. Moderate gains where seen on the AMD systems when disabling HPET.
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I had HPET disabled before I ran any tests on the 8700K as it used to cause issues with various games so I always disable it out of habit now but an odd issue on my 1800X rig when HPET was disabled it also disabled all network connections :confused:
 
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