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What?! No matter what happens he was impeached, nothing will ever change that. If you’re found innocent in court it doesn’t mean that you were never arrested.

but it does mean in the end you were innocent and the arrest is meaningless in a certain way. Trumps gonna milk the innocent part all the way to November.
 
No matter what happens he was impeached, nothing will ever change that.

Don't lie to yourself; he was only impeached because he is in the minority party of the House of Representatives and he's only being acquitted because he's in the majority party of the Senate. The whole process is a farce.
 
Don't lie to yourself; he was only impeached because he is in the minority party of the House of Representatives and he's only being acquitted because he's in the majority party of the Senate. The whole process is a farce.

Probably. However the house investigation at least tried to offer a fair investigation. The senate "trial" was a farce and a compete cover up. Remains to be seen if that corruption resonates with voters. Not his base of course as most of those are morons.
 
Don't lie to yourself. It was purely pol.itical. Truth and justice haven't been relevant since Clinton's time.
Republicans have accepted he did exactly what he was accused of, have accepted it was wrong, but have decided that they don't want to investigate further.

If all that is so, and it is, on which side is the 'politics' of the situation?
 
However the house investigation at least tried to offer a fair investigation.

Don't delude yourself anymore.....

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It looks like the leading DemocRats are knee deep in their financial ties with Ukrainian oligarchs, well that explains the kangaroo impeachment over Trump wanting Ukraine to investigate corruption.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/adam-schiffs-own-ukraine-connection-comes-under-scrutiny

I've been saying this for a while, I posted a lot of stuff to try and open peoples eyes about this a few pages back. But that is only the surface layer, they same people getting kick-backs in the democratic party are the same people that are responsible for the massacre in Ukraine that triggered the coup. Behind it are the same face, Biden/Obama/Pelosi/Kerry/Schiff, with the help of the CIA directory of the time, via the leaker(who speaks fluent Ukraine/Russian) - it's no wonder they are fighting so badly to keep it all hidden.

No-one can deny that the USA takes what it wants with force, Oil in the case of Iraq/Syria/Iran and oil/gas with respect to Ukraine. It's worth 10's of millions a day, billions a year so plenty of money to pay everyone off including old presidents/VP's/Speakers/etc - with the go to method being paying them off through their kids where possible(Biden/Pelosi/Kerry/Romney)..

Didnt appear to be. Trump did exactly what accused of. Any party interested in justice would do the same. The 2nd real crime is the gop cover up.

Jesus man, you need to sort that TDS out! Seriously, educate yourself instead of repeating the same refuted claims. I'll indulge you, even 'if' it was true they didn't prove it, the dems had something like 17 witnesses to Repulican 0!!! The Reps had zeo witnesses and still won against 17, the Dems had less than nothing(as in they failed to prove anything)!

One hoax after another..
 
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Your BDS is out of control. Your ability to ignore how tied up most of the GOP are in Russia/Ukraine whilst claiming it’s all on the Dems is impressive. Nunes was in on the whole thing but didn’t say anything whilst sitting on the committee handling the impeachment.

You can’t expect anyone to take what you say seriously when you just ignore your sides indiscretions.

The Republicans admitted that Trump tied aid to Ukraine announcing an investigation into the Bidens, they just chose to do nothing about it. How is that a hoax?

What’s going to happen to all of the evidence that Trump is blocking once he’s no longer president? Is Trump going to stock up on shredders before he leaves office?
 
Your BDS is out of control.
Thanks.. What-ever BDS is..? If you mean Biden then that's a coincidence.. Biden was first in the list that I know of but I can re-arrange it for you here: Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Kerry/Romney and you may as well throw in Hillary in there because if something was corrupt going down on her watch she wouldn't have missed out.. :D

Your ability to ignore how tied up most of the GOP are in Russia/Ukraine whilst claiming it’s all on the Dems is impressive.
No, I read it all and dismissed it as total bullcrap.. Biden/Obama/Hillary/Pelosi/Kerry/Romney, all DEMOCRATS have children in directorships that pay them $100k's per MONTH for nothing - it's what you call a payoff. And for if any Rep's are involved then get them too, I know trump isn't involved in that deal as he wasn't even a politician when it was all set up initially.

If you think this is all about a 5 minute phone call because Biden got butt-hurt then you, Biden has admitted to doing what they accused Trump of - but I'm sure he has him coming.

Nunes was in on the whole thing but didn’t say anything whilst sitting on the committee handling the impeachment.
Where's the evidence?

You can’t expect anyone to take what you say seriously when you just ignore your sides indiscretions.
I'm not ignoring anything, it just happens that ALL of the damning evidence I've seen is against the democrats.

The Republicans admitted that Trump tied aid to Ukraine announcing an investigation into the Bidens, they just chose to do nothing about it. How is that a hoax?
He asked for US, I.E the country.. He's trying to route out corruption, Biden is corrupt as they come, hence he asked.

What’s going to happen to all of the evidence that Trump is blocking once he’s no longer president?
What evidence?

Is Trump going to stock up on shredders before he leaves office?
Why would he need to, he was acquitted.
 
Of course. As you say it's already decided apart from crossing the T's and dotting the I's.
And it was even before it passed up, as Mitch etc said they'd acquit him before hand.

Something that in any other trial in the US (or most of the rest of the world with with working legal systems) would result in the jurors being dismissed.
Name one other form of trial where the presiding "judge" would not allow witnesses, or where the "jurors" would be allowed to get away with stating openly they had no intent to listen to the case but were going to find the person not guilty regardless.

It is incredibly telling that the Republicans didn't want any witnesses to be called despite their nonense about how they weren't allowed to call witnesses in the lower house (they were, it's just that they wanted to call people who had nothing to do with it, and went along with the White House instructing people not to attend).
 
Thanks.. What-ever BDS is..? If you mean Biden then that's a coincidence.. Biden was first in the list that I know of but I can re-arrange it for you here: Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Kerry/Romney and you may as well throw in Hillary in there because if something was corrupt going down on her watch she wouldn't have missed out.. :D

No, I read it all and dismissed it as total bullcrap.. Biden/Obama/Hillary/Pelosi/Kerry/Romney, all DEMOCRATS have children in directorships that pay them $100k's per MONTH for nothing - it's what you call a payoff. And for if any Rep's are involved then get them too, I know trump isn't involved in that deal as he wasn't even a politician when it was all set up initially.

If you think this is all about a 5 minute phone call because Biden got butt-hurt then you, Biden has admitted to doing what they accused Trump of - but I'm sure he has him coming.
Lol. You dismissed things that don't support your side as bullcrap. Sure. Where's your evidence of that? Out of interest, which company boards does Obama's kids sit on? Where's your outrage for Ivanka and Jared making over $80m/year using their ties to the US president for their own financial gain?

Where's the evidence?
It's not hard to find it. I guess this is bullcrap too?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/17/devin-nunes-aide-lev-parnas-100732
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...with-giuliani-call-records-show-idUSKBN1Y72OE

I'm not ignoring anything, it just happens that ALL of the damning evidence I've seen is against the democrats.
What evidence? So many of the GOP's members have connections to sketchy oligarchs yet you just claim it's the democrats. Sure.

He asked for US, I.E the country.. He's trying to route out corruption, Biden is corrupt as they come, hence he asked.
You’re incredibly naive if you think he has any interest in fighting corruption. He has said he’d accept dirt from foreign governments and that’s what he’s doing. What makes you think he cares about corruption? He didn’t pay $25m to settle a lawsuit around his scam university did he? His charity wasn’t shut down because he was using funds illegally was it? He didn’t pay the Florida DA to make an investigation go away did he? But yeah, he cares about corruption all of a sudden.

If he wanted corruption investigating why was he using his personal attorney and his shady associates instead of going down official routes? Why did he oust an ambassador who was actively working to reduce corruption in Ukraine? Why did he wait until 3 years into his presidency, after Biden announced he was running for President?

What evidence?
Everything that he didn't hand over to congress - the transcript, emails, etc etc. One of the articles of impeachment was obstruction...

Why would he need to, he was acquitted.
When did that happen?
 
He's trying to route out corruption, Biden is corrupt as they come, hence he asked.

Evidence please.

You are literally just saying this because this is what the GOP and Trump have been saying.

There isn't anything to actually back it up and it doesn't make any sense. If Biden was "as corrupt as they come" why hasn't Barr and the DOJ indicted him yet? Why, did he instead have to circumvent proper channels and use his personal lawyer/eastern European donors) to try and get a foreign ally to announce an investigation into a company that his son served on the board of.
 
Because any sane person would ask America's Mayor, who frequently but dials journalists, to investigate along with cardboard cutouts of Niko's cousins from GTA IV instead of Barr and you know his DoJ.

This all boils down to the gulf between the GOP being in power and winning fairly with policies that win hearts and minds. They have no message (other than fear and division) and can't win on arguments/policies, their demographic is dying out and under threat, so they can't win fairly which means they cheat. The wider the gap, the more they will cheat and at this rate - is there anything they would consider too much? Probably not. The GOP maintain and gain power solely on their own and the Democrats think their route to power is bipartisanship.

A complete and utter mess. The same party (ha) only ~50 years ago were able to realise and reflect that their own president had crossed a line and should go......
 
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Evidence please.

You are literally just saying this because this is what the GOP and Trump have been saying.

There isn't anything to actually back it up and it doesn't make any sense. If Biden was "as corrupt as they come" why hasn't Barr and the DOJ indicted him yet? Why, did he instead have to circumvent proper channels and use his personal lawyer/eastern European donors) to try and get a foreign ally to announce an investigation into a company that his son served on the board of.


The emails that was produced last week about biden\obama are now being looked at.

J Biden has been a pathological liar all his life.
I remember him a long time ago telling so many lies on UK TV.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor...un_king_in_1987_joe_biden_was_proven_to_be_a/
 
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