Looks like it's over for FlyBe

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Newcastle is like this, canny little airport.

Exeter is very much like this, I love flying from there, provided the flight isn't delayed. The exeter/Newcastle flight was usually the last departure for the day, so if it was delayed, everything starts closing up around you.
 
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Good! The more airlines go pop the less flights and thus better for the environment.
Except this was a regional airline using economical planes not an international airline running jumbo jets. They actually have a lower carbon footprint per passenger than railways or buses do, so no this is not good for the environment as those passengers will end up on more polluting methods of transportation instead.
 
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Except this was a regional airline using economical planes not an international airline running jumbo jets. They actually have a lower carbon footprint per passenger than railways or buses do, so no this is not good for the environment as those passengers will end up on more polluting methods of transportation instead.

Shush, you know logic and reality isn't allowed where the environment is involved.

This is especially true when the real alternative to flybe is driving, not the train.
 
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Really? It's possible, but I'm skeptical. Got any sources?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2008/09/24/ecotravelling_feature.shtml

Flybe's dash 8s q400 come in at 81g of CO2 per passenger kilometer when full. A diesel cross country train (which is what you'd get from exeter to Newcastle) does 74g per passenger kilometer when full.

A full dash 8 q400 is 74 people. A voyager cross country is circa 200 people, so the overall emissions of the train are definitely higher than the plane.

The train is rarely full the full distance, the flight usually was.
 
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It's a complete joke tbh

Sadly it is.

Do you understand how limited companies work?

Its all about limiting the liabilities of the consortiums behind such companies. But then seeing how pension funds get raided,its not a surprise.

Good! The more airlines go pop the less flights and thus better for the environment.

Except this was a regional airline using economical planes not an international airline running jumbo jets. They actually have a lower carbon footprint per passenger than railways or buses do, so no this is not good for the environment as those passengers will end up on more polluting methods of transportation instead.

Longer range airliners are less polluting per flown km,than shorter range aircraft using turbofans. A large percentage of the emissions is take-off and landing,and for shorter,lower altitude flying,turboprops and propfans are upto 30% more efficient.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2008/09/24/ecotravelling_feature.shtml

Flybe's dash 8s q400 come in at 81g of CO2 per passenger kilometer when full. A diesel cross country train (which is what you'd get from exeter to Newcastle) does 74g per passenger kilometer when full.

A full dash 8 q400 is 74 people. A voyager cross country is circa 200 people, so the overall emissions of the train are definitely higher than the plane.

The train is rarely full the full distance, the flight usually was.
The whole rail network should already be electrified.

Yet again this country lags behind Europe in putting in 21st century infrastructure.

https://www.imeche.org/news/news-ar...ent-keep-halting-rail-electrification-schemes

Because short-term profit is the only thing successive UK govts have ever cared about.
 
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The consortium behind Flybe is not lacking a few pennies - it has tens of billions of dollars in assets,and makes profits of billions of dollars a year. Yet,they need government money to survive.
This is how the public/private relationship operates in the UK.

Private takes the profits. Public money does the bailouts.

Always was, always will be.

We are in many ways a model example of how to make a few people rich at the expense of many. Essentially we're corrupt at the highest levels.

But in leaving the EU we're going for US style inequality and full corporate rule over the serfs. The govt will just be a mouthpiece for the mega corps, as in the US.
 
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This is how the public/private relationship operates in the UK.

Private takes the profits. Public money does the bailouts.

Always was, always will be.

We are in many ways a model example of how to make a few people rich at the expense of many. Essentially we're corrupt at the highest levels.

But in leaving the EU we're going for US style inequality and full corporate rule over the serfs. The govt will just be a mouthpiece for the mega corps, as in the US.

It is utterly ridiculous when one of the consortium is Delta airlines!
 
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This is how the public/private relationship operates in the UK.

Private takes the profits. Public money does the bailouts.

Always was, always will be.

We are in many ways a model example of how to make a few people rich at the expense of many. Essentially we're corrupt at the highest levels.

But in leaving the EU we're going for US style inequality and full corporate rule over the serfs. The govt will just be a mouthpiece for the mega corps, as in the US.
I believe that the Government has stated that they won't be propping them up? Indeed, I believe that because they won't be bailing them out, it is why they went bust?

In other news:- Flybe's collapse could be 'first of many' airlines
 
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The whole rail network should already be electrified.

Yet again this country lags behind Europe in putting in 21st century infrastructure.

https://www.imeche.org/news/news-ar...ent-keep-halting-rail-electrification-schemes

Because short-term profit is the only thing successive UK govts have ever cared about.

The investment needed goes way beyond that, our railways are among the most well utilised in Europe (source) , but our biggest problems are capacity and mixing of slow local trains and fast express trains on the same lines, and have hamstrung ourselves with ridiculous controls preventing, interfering and inflating any attempted infrastructure investment (See HS2 and any attempt to build new roads or power stations)

The problem isn't just short term populism in government, its that most of the people in the UK have no vision.
 
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I didn't realise things were as bad for Flybe as they were, I know that they were having troubles but the info that I am reading about in the last 24 hours is fairly staggering. They made a loss in 8 of the last 10 years, it was literally only a matter of time before they went pop. I read that some of the Southampton Airport routes are being picked up by Eastern Airways and Logan Air, so it at least looks like Southampton is making some headway toward staying alive.
 
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