At what point is enough, enough

From what I understand you were doing a boatload of overtime and getting your hourly rate for it... I don't see the problem. If you were doing 70 hours and getting paid for 40 then that is of course a very different story.

If there are better hourly rates on offer somewhere else... then jump ship? In the sort of role you're in there are not going to be many opportunities to force your employers hand, since barriers to entry are relatively low... I'd make the jump now while the going is good.
 
BUDFORCE said:
Yea for the same company lololol.

People don't realise that hard work doesn't get any reward for most companies.

They just expect it of you going forward, if your ****, but just good enough to stay off the naughty list, you'll get left alone.

I'm really good at my job, but actually do just enough to stay off the naughty list, intentionally not very well.

I've been lying in garden sum bathing since 12:30 whilst on the payroll.

My attitude might differ if I were in the emergency services etc, or a job that helps people etc. But I dont I work for a greedy capitalist company with rich directors and I have no guilt what so ever.
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"sum bathing" a Freudian slip if ever there was one! ;) The phrase work ethic passed some by it seems.
 
hurfdurf said:
It’s the end result of unfettered capitalism. Gone are the days of anything other than profit mattering. Far better to use that knowledge to not take things personally and jump from job to job as it’s the only way for a lot of people to get a decent pay rise. Bare in mind, sometimes companies will panic and counter offer you, iirc this is not worth taking, as they will generally offer you to keep you because they will be utterly screwed without you short term, then dislike/resent you for forcing their hand.
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People that jump from job to job are usually viewed with justifiable suspicion by anyone wanting a professional employee, with a modicum of a work ethic. They usually have an agenda of idleness or a chip on their shoulder...
 
^^ when I was taking my HGV lessons the instructor was telling me he wouldn't recommend it as a job, I was like wtf kind of chat is this :p

seems to be one of those jobs that people will put down, but still do it
 
builder22 said:
^^ when I was taking my HGV lessons the instructor was telling me he wouldn't recommend it as a job, I was like wtf kind of chat is this :p

seems to be one of those jobs that people will put down, but still do it
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Probably another example of those that can do, and those that teach.... ;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
People that jump from job to job are usually viewed with justifiable suspicion by anyone wanting a professional employee, with a modicum of a work ethic. They usually have an agenda of idleness or a chip on their shoulder...
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Maybe 10+ years ago, not so much today. Employers expect applicants to have moved around to gain experience, if anything a CV with years of loyal service can come across as someone who is happy to just bumble along.
 
Puzzled said:
Maybe 10+ years ago, not so much today. Employers expect applicants to have moved around to gain experience, if anything a CV with years of loyal service can come across as someone who is happy to just bumble along.
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A CV shows a clear distinction to one company job progression and flitting around with little to no advancement, IMHO.
 
Chris Wilson said:
People that jump from job to job are usually viewed with justifiable suspicion by anyone wanting a professional employee, with a modicum of a work ethic. They usually have an agenda of idleness or a chip on their shoulder...
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Anything can be viewed how you spin it in an interview. If you use the job hopping as a way of learning your trade. It can be viewed as a good thing. Bringing in new views to an often blinkered organisation.

Although saying that when I interview new employees I always ask about their previous history and would historically regret people who couldn't keep a job down. Problem is there is a crisis now not just in HGV but all laboured jobs. Wages have been driven down over the past 15 years by cheap foreign labour.

Chickens have come home to roost. Either a) The government opens up doors to a stream of foreign labour or b) Companies start being more realistic in wages.

Considering the cost of training, the hours (which in itself is a direct consequence of a lack of drivers) and the responsibility. Paying HGV drivers £11 a hour was a joke in itself when someone in a middle management role could quite easily be on mid thirties doing basic hours.
 
adam cool dude said:
Anything can be viewed how you spin it in an interview. If you use the job hopping as a way of learning your trade. It can be viewed as a good thing. Bringing in new views to an often blinkered organisation.

Although saying that when I interview new employees I always ask about their previous history and would historically regret people who couldn't keep a job down. Problem is there is a crisis now not just in HGV but all laboured jobs. Wages have been driven down over the past 15 years by cheap foreign labour.

Chickens have come home to roost. Either a) The government opens up doors to a stream of foreign labour or b) Companies start being more realistic in wages.

Considering the cost of training, the hours (which in itself is a direct consequence of a lack of drivers) and the responsibility. Paying HGV drivers £11 a hour was a joke in itself when someone in a middle management role could quite easily be on mid thirties doing basic hours.
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I'd agree with the majority of that.
 
Job hopping ain't so bad, and in cases the only way to get a pay bump. As long as you are not cycling to 3 jobs every year, its OK. I think at least a year in a job with a few longer stretches are good to have.
 
adam cool dude said:
Anything can be viewed how you spin it in an interview. If you use the job hopping as a way of learning your trade. It can be viewed as a good thing. Bringing in new views to an often blinkered organisation.

Although saying that when I interview new employees I always ask about their previous history and would historically regret people who couldn't keep a job down. Problem is there is a crisis now not just in HGV but all laboured jobs. Wages have been driven down over the past 15 years by cheap foreign labour.

Chickens have come home to roost. Either a) The government opens up doors to a stream of foreign labour or b) Companies start being more realistic in wages.

Considering the cost of training, the hours (which in itself is a direct consequence of a lack of drivers) and the responsibility. Paying HGV drivers £11 a hour was a joke in itself when someone in a middle management role could quite easily be on mid thirties doing basic hours.
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Agree completely, and I suspect many of the larger companies, like the one I work for are banking on a government u-turn and allowing foreign labour back into the market in order to alleviate the shortage of drivers, if they do that then I suspect many UK drivers will just call it quits forcing us the rely on a cheap labour force for the future, if they don't do that then companies will have no choice but to starting rethinking what a jobs value really is.

Half the middle management in our place are completely useless and a waste of resources, I've been there nearly a decade and have no idea what they "actually" do besides annoy the drivers.
 
Chris Wilson said:
People that jump from job to job are usually viewed with justifiable suspicion by anyone wanting a professional employee, with a modicum of a work ethic. They usually have an agenda of idleness or a chip on their shoulder...
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You sound like the middle manager of a budget supermarket that pays their staff pittance, and is worried they will shoot off. Are you part of the labour crisis in America by any chance? The ones calling the workforce lazy because they won't do 12 hour shifts on $4/hr plus tips?
 
dLockers said:
You sound like the middle manager of a budget supermarket that pays their staff pittance, and is worried they will shoot off. Are you part of the labour crisis in America by any chance? The ones calling the workforce lazy because they won't do 12 hour shifts on $4/hr plus tips?
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No, I am an English self employed mechanic with no connection whatsoever to the United States or supermarkets, but I often hear employers saying they view job hopper's CV's with trepidation.
 
I've had 3 jobs in 18 months due to various factors: Redundancy at the start of COVID > took a job at half the money to pay bills during pandemic > back to a role at my "normal" salary

If recruiters ask then I'd tell them the story and if they don't like it then I'd ask what they expected me to do instead :confused:

Back on topic.... leave. If you're a driver then there's no shortage of work for you. Who knows, you could end up back where you are in a year when things calm down and be in the position to negotiate more because you have inside knowledge of the agency pay scales (assuming you'd want to go back!)
 
As some may know, I work at a supermarket. It’s horrendous at the moment. Colleagues leaving, not being fully replaced. What I mean by that is both the hours and skills. Two are retiring in end Nov and end Jan. Plus four on long term sick. Two of them won’t be back until the new year. Then when they do recruit, it is the young ones 90% of the time - it’s got nothing to do with paying them lower. As don’t have a lower wage for under 22s. It doesn’t help recruiting older people who generally stay there longer as all the supermarket jobs advertised - bar the skilled and management ones are just 16 hours a week. Older people probably want 24 hours. As 16 hours for a student appeals them as all day on day when not timetabled in and a couple of evenings or Sundays.

I’m worried about Christmas. We don’t hire temps at all, yet the other stores in the county do
 
Chris Wilson said:
People that jump from job to job are usually viewed with justifiable suspicion by anyone wanting a professional employee, with a modicum of a work ethic. They usually have an agenda of idleness or a chip on their shoulder...
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I can’t buy that one Chris, probably due to the fact that I’m a veritable dinosaur.
I can understand it to a degree in IT jobs, or an architect’s office, or higher management, but when I started out as a 21 y.o. two bob Cockney truck driver in 1960-61, I was getting paid £11 per week to truck through the night to Glasgow from London twice a week.
While you all gasp in amazement and disbelief, I was also living in a Council flat with a weekly rent of 25 shillings, or one pound twenty five in today’s money, and beer and cigarettes cost pennies.
One day I heard that a firm in East London were looking for drivers at £12 per week, I was there like a rat up a drainpipe.
About a year later, my father who was driving an oil tanker for Gulf Oil, got me an interview at his depot, where I was trained in tanker driving, and my wages shot up to £16 per week.
What I’m getting at is, none of those companies viewed me as a work shy waste of time, it was patently obvious why I moved from job to job, each one was offering more money, and they welcomed me with open arms, as I brought my work ethic with me.
e.g., if I was due to finish at 18.00, and at 17.45 the foreman would ask me to pick a trailer up in the street and bring it into the yard, I’d do it, they were good to me, so I was willing to reciprocate.
 
cheesefest said:
I’m worried about Christmas. We don’t hire temps at all, yet the other stores in the county do
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Have you considered taking Christmas off your current job, and spend that time instead being one of the temps that work at the other stores? If you like it there more then you could switch permanently.
 
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