At what point is enough, enough

IIRC you're a supermarket delivery driver OP? I assume wages for that role will be pretty similar across the board so it might be worth you upskilling to HGV 1-2. Not sure if your supermarket offers that option at no cost to you, I know a few firms are doing it with their workers.
If I took the medical I would get my HGV entitlement back, it's decent money now but as i'm pretty much on the threshold of retirement and only working 20 hours or so a week I can't be bothered.
 
mrbazmondo said:
Or leave and go work as a contractor.
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Yea for the same company lololol.

People don't realise that hard work doesn't get any reward for most companies.

They just expect it of you going forward, if your ****, but just good enough to stay off the naughty list, you'll get left alone.

I'm really good at my job, but actually do just enough to stay off the naughty list, intentionally not very well.

I've been lying in garden sum bathing since 12:30 whilst on the payroll.

My attitude might differ if I were in the emergency services etc, or a job that helps people etc. But I dont I work for a greedy capitalist company with rich directors and I have no guilt what so ever.
 
BUDFORCE said:
Yea for the same company lololol.

People don't realise that hard work doesn't get any reward for most companies.

They just expect it of you going forward, if your ****, but just good enough to stay off the naughty list, you'll get left alone.

I'm really good at my job, but actually do just enough to stay off the naughty list, intentionally not very well.

I've been lying in garden sum bathing since 12:30 whilst on the payroll.

My attitude might differ if I were in the emergency services etc, or a job that helps people etc. But I dont I work for a greedy capitalist company with rich directors and I have no guilt what so ever.
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Never a truer word spoken...
 
When you realise that being loyal is a waste of time you will be better for it.

Find a new job with better pay and get on with your life. I stuck with a same company for 5 years going nowhere in a deluded sense that doing everything and not going off sick would gain reward. In the past 5 years I have been promoted 3 times because when the ship starts to sink. You get off. No one is saying it is right but it is the reality of working in big business.
 
The instant anyone finds that the new staff they’ve been tasked with training are being paid more than they are, it’s time to polish the CV and find another job.
 
Yeah I had one member of management today ask me to train up someone, I asked the person if they were agency or employed by the company, they said agency and I flat out refused. If management have a problem with that, they can fire me, but I know they won't because they are desperate for drivers.
 
dLockers said:
Isn't a driver that trains other drivers called a driving instructor?
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I don't remember having to show how to load a van on my driving test but it was a while ago :p

If you like driving and have the opportunity to train to be a HGV driver then now seems to be the time. I'd imagine some companies will be paying to train new drivers what with the shortage.
 
Agency drivers getting paid more per hour is pretty normal, wouldn't be getting hung up on that.
Not sure but think some companies have a separate budget for agency/temp staff so even though it's more per hour it works out better overall...prob other benefits of using agency too...sick pay,holidays, how many employees in total etc etc
 
MadMossy said:
Yeah I had one member of management today ask me to train up someone, I asked the person if they were agency or employed by the company, they said agency and I flat out refused. If management have a problem with that, they can fire me, but I know they won't because they are desperate for drivers.
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Not that desperate now they have agency drivers, don't think you are irreplaceable just bc you did extra for them because you wanted to.
 
Agency staff are usually costed as some sort of overhead/running cost and not against the payroll budget. Your boss is probably telling you the truth that they don't have the budget to increase pay but can take on much more expensive agency staff to cover the shortfall instead. If it's a big company then he'll be some sort of low/middle tier management with no say at all in how his budgets get set so your mini-strike of refusing to train agency staff probably won't help.
 
Sounds like he's aggrieved that agency staff are getting paid more then him as a permie for doing the same job.

So he needs to do what they do in IT. Quit and come back as a contractor on double the pay.
 
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Sorry if I've misread, but basically it's considered a temporary situation. Wage increases are generally one way, so employers are buying time by overpaying for agency staff on a temporary basis, in the hope that in the long run, they can return to paying the old wages.

Whether or not the situation is temporay or not is very industry specific, and even then uncertain.
 
touch said:
Agency staff are usually costed as some sort of overhead/running cost and not against the payroll budget. Your boss is probably telling you the truth that they don't have the budget to increase pay but can take on much more expensive agency staff to cover the shortfall instead. If it's a big company then he'll be some sort of low/middle tier management with no say at all in how his budgets get set so your mini-strike of refusing to train agency staff probably won't help.
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Budgets never make sense when they run low. I used to work for a company that wouldn't spend £100 on some more RAM, but were happy to pay 20 staff overtime and buy them pizza. This went on for months. If we had the extra RAM the computers would have been able to do their job fast enough that we would have not needed the overtime, but there was no budget left for the RAM.
 
adam cool dude said:
When you realise that being loyal is a waste of time you will be better for it.

Find a new job with better pay and get on with your life. I stuck with a same company for 5 years going nowhere in a deluded sense that doing everything and not going off sick would gain reward. In the past 5 years I have been promoted 3 times because when the ship starts to sink. You get off. No one is saying it is right but it is the reality of working in big business.
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It’s the end result of unfettered capitalism. Gone are the days of anything other than profit mattering. Far better to use that knowledge to not take things personally and jump from job to job as it’s the only way for a lot of people to get a decent pay rise. Bare in mind, sometimes companies will panic and counter offer you, iirc this is not worth taking, as they will generally offer you to keep you because they will be utterly screwed without you short term, then dislike/resent you for forcing their hand.
 
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