Why does everyone hate vista!!

stealthgeek · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:36

megatron said:
The most secure windows ever sounds great but unfortunately I had previously just been reading this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
which amoungst other things says that the security is for the "content providers", no effort has been made to stop spam emails or further effort to stop virus' from working. Its just made digital rights management hard to copy. As a side effect, since there is an underlying encryption service between output deivices and media content, then the CPU is more heavily taxed. Not only that but the device drivers themselves poll at 30ms if the device is digital or 150ms if analogue... just to check nothing is happening, AKA idle.

I read that article, and all it made me think was the big hoo-ha over TPM, and how we would all be restricted by it. That was about 5 years ago, there were even rumours of it appearing in XP. Did it happen? No. Why not? Because MS, as much as I resent their questionable business techniques/ethos, is a business. Think about it, if you buy Star Wars on Blu Ray in a few years time, are you going to play it on your MS PC with the quality reduced, or will you just bung it in your Sony Blu Ray player under your Hi-Def TV that doesnt screw with the quality?

Im not saying I dont think they will try it, Im saying I think it will backfire.

And to say that no effort has been made to ensure the security of the user is piffle. Bit locker encryption? IE7? Address Space Layout Randomizer? UAC? Kernel Patch Protection? Have you even seen the reliability Centre? Its fantastic!

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:39

gizmoy2k said:
lah de daaa

the point im makin in not everyone know how to make an SP2 disk or mess around with ghost (lol norton)

lol Norton? What does that mean. Norton Ghost is widely recognised as the premier imaging program for Windows. As for not everyone knowing how to make an SP2 disc - it is hardly rocket science is it. And anyone who bought XP in the last what, three years? will have received SP2 integrated into it anyway.

, And joe blogs is going to be told, Forget XP, Buy vista you dont need to worry about any SPs or updates yet.

Once SP1 comes out later this year, Vista will be no different to XP in that regard.

DX10 is coming like it or not its not gonna be on XP. so Vista is the only solution to play games at highest detail

And for light / non-gamers? What does Vista offer that XP doesn't?

stealthgeek · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:39

dirtydog said:
How is it the 'only viable OS on the PC'? How are Windows 2000, XP and 2003 not viable exactly?

Dude, if you want to try playing FEAR on Server 2K3, be my guest!

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:40

stealthgeek said:
Dude, if you want to try playing FEAR on Server 2K3, be my guest!

Surf's up dude. (What are you, Californian?)

Richdog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:42

dirtydog said:
Surf's up dude. (What are you, Californian?)

lol I say dude a lot now, people use it at work quite a lot. I didn't like it at first, but it's grown on me now.

gizmoy2k · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:43

And yes XP is good enough for non gamers, but why pay for that when you can use PCLos (linux) for free :cool:

and as for notron, biggest bloatware manufacturer ever!

Ever tried getting rid of Norton AV dude :cool:

stealthgeek · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:44

dirtydog said:
Surf's up dude. (What are you, Californian?)

sadly not.

:cool:

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:47

Richdog said:
lol I say dude a lot now, people use it at work quite a lot. I didn't like it at first, but it's grown on me now.

Bah, awful Americanism :mad:

Not even all Americans use it AFAIK, just the ones on the west coast.

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:48

gizmoy2k said:
And yes XP is good enough for non gamers, but why pay for that when you can use PCLos (linux) for free

Because PCLos is a POS like all Linux distros?

and as for notron, biggest bloatware manufacturer ever!

Ever tried getting rid of Norton AV dude

Yes most Norton stuff is poop, but Norton Ghost is the exception.

Vault5ChOnG · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:50

youll find that the ppl who post that they hate it dont actually own a copy

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:54

Vault5ChOnG said:
youll find that the ppl who post that they hate it dont actually own a copy

Well duh

It would be a bit foolish to purchase something that you don't like or want wouldn't it? But don't assume that those who dislike it and haven't bought it, haven't tried it

(by the way, it is that much of an effort to type 'people'? I guess it must be.)

Richdog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:55

dirtydog said:
(by the way, it is that much of an effort to type 'people'? I guess it must be.)

lol, you're a stickler for proper spilling and gram'mor aren't you. Just ignore it, it's a losing battle.

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 12:58

Richdog said:
lol, you're a stickler for proper spilling and gram'mor aren't you. Just ignore it, it's a losing battle.

I just think there should be public floggings for people who use text speak on forums

JimmyEatWorms · 31 Jan 2007 at 13:00

I just don't like the interface. It feels too cluttered to me. Everything seems to be buried deep inside multiple menus and dialog boxes.

I must admit, I haven't installed the release copy yet and I am basing all this on beta2 but I don't think there have been any major changes since then.

megatron · 31 Jan 2007 at 13:10

Vault5ChOnG said:
youll find that the ppl who post that they hate it dont actually own a copy

IMO the people who in this thread say "I love vista" with no other qualification are the less informed ones. If u read just a little about it, u will see its not all good for the consumer.

I would be quite happy with win 98 se still if it was supported (although roll-back is a very handy feature, networking still doesnt work in a plug and play sence which was one of the selling points of win xp originally).

The fact that dx10 only comes with Vista is not a feature its a monopoly, blackmail, crime. M$ need to get fined again for running a monopoly.

Read my first post in thread, anything that slows down benchmark scores is not welcome in a forum where benchmark scores are all that matters!

JimmyEatWorms · 31 Jan 2007 at 13:15

I just don't like the interface. It feels too cluttered to me. Everything seems to be buried deep inside multiple menus and dialog boxes.

I must admit, I haven't installed the release copy yet and I am basing all this on beta2 but I don't think there have been any major changes since then.

stealthgeek · 31 Jan 2007 at 13:17

megatron said:
IMO the people who in this thread say "I love vista" with no other qualification are the less informed ones. If u read just a little about it, u will see its not all good for the consumer.

I agree with the first comment, but do you have any more info about why it isnt all good for the consumer? Because with the exception of decreased system performance with the same hardware + the DRM stuff, I cant see that many disadvantages. I can see quite a few advantages though, even for the average joe, and that is from my own personal use as well as several balanced reviews

TC1 · 31 Jan 2007 at 15:12

Vista is a nice upgrade to XP. Looks better and runs really well.

Tom84 · 31 Jan 2007 at 15:34

My main problem with Vista so far is that it feels very much like a novelty item, obviously all the aesthetics can be turned off but like BillytheImpaler said it feels more like an XP update rather than a truly new OS.

I wouldn't say i hated it nor do i dislike it but i certainly wont be upgrading to it in the near future

Carl_Bennetts · 31 Jan 2007 at 15:47

Just ordered my copy of Vista Premium.
Vista Rocks DUDES