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ill go for No.3, dont expect it to be that much faster than titan x but better value for money. i reckon it will be at around 980ti performance
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Poll: 390X: How fast do you think it will be.
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Also do now with the 295X2.
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390X is not meant to be on pair with a 295X2 or Titan at all. Its mean to be targeted against 980!
It will most likely have a performance up to 10% higher compared to 290X.
The FIJI will have new naming with 2 versions, XT and NON XT. XT close to Titan but cheaper (not expecting much) and non XT to beat 980.
i thought 390x is the top one and a 390 non X. then 395x2 when it's out
If thats the case then why are we talking / hoping 390x will beat the TX
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Much cheaper than the Titan x and practically just as good performance, more than likely. Should be a killer @ 1080p and good for 1440p. Nice to see cards getting to handle that res decently now.
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i thought 390x is the top one and a 390 non X. then 395x2 when it's out
If thats the case then why are we talking / hoping 390x will beat the TX
Because we don't know the real naming. So lets just agree the flagship fiji will go against the titan x.
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I don't know why some people are doubting it has the potential to be as good as the 295x2.
You would hope a card releasing 3 months after nVidia's flagship is going to be at least ahead of it, especially when it's using a new memory type. We all know the TX's price doesn't reflect its performance, it never does on flagship cards so being cheaper shouldn't mean it can't be better.
You would hope a card releasing 3 months after nVidia's flagship is going to be at least ahead of it, especially when it's using a new memory type. We all know the TX's price doesn't reflect its performance, it never does on flagship cards so being cheaper shouldn't mean it can't be better.
True but not to the same degree as the 6990, that was their saving grace against the 580, shame it sounded like a broken jet fighter
In amds defence though, they do make bloody good dual chip cards, nvidia not so much, just a shame amd end up marketing them against single chip solutions from the competition.
I think that's wishful thinking. A 50-70% improvement on the same processing node? I don't see it happening. Those kind of gains are a thing of the past, unless we see some serious ground breaking improvements in processing nodes and increasing frequencies.
R9 290X was released in October 2013 and we haven't seen a stronger single GPU product from AMD ever since. I'm sure that if they could have introduced a product with 25-30% improvement for the holiday season of 2014, they would have done that.
There is no reason to think AMD, a company that's isn't profitable, will hold onto their technological advancements for over 18 months, only to release "one" product with 50-70-100% performance increase. That's bad business. Smaller performance gains and shorter release intervals is the sound business strategy, and it's proven to be very profitable for NVIDIA.
I'm sure if AMD had something really brilliant up in their sleeve, they would have turned it into a product for the holiday season of 2014. Even if they could improve 20% on 290X, they would have turned it into a new product.
To the people obsessing over HBM,
We've seen this before. With the Radeon HD 2900 series in 2005-2006 where NVIDIA had their Geforce 8000 series out for more than a year, and people waiting for AMD to introduce a miracle with "GDDR4" memory and 512-bit memory bandwidth, claiming that it will smash the hell out of the Geforce 8800 GTX. People waited for a long time, those things proved to be very useless and the product was a huge dissapointment.
Even currently, GDDR5 is not really a bottleneck. HBM will not have latency improvements over GDDR5 either. So those hoping that the lower latency will prove crucial will be dissapointed. HBM is now what GDDR4 was back in 2005-2006. Good on paper, a waste in performance. The whole "stacked memory" concept is far more useful in mobile application where the product is space constrained, like smartphones and tablets. That's the only tangable benefit of it, at least in the short term.
We've seen this before. With the Radeon HD 2900 series in 2005-2006 where NVIDIA had their Geforce 8000 series out for more than a year, and people waiting for AMD to introduce a miracle with "GDDR4" memory and 512-bit memory bandwidth, claiming that it will smash the hell out of the Geforce 8800 GTX. People waited for a long time, those things proved to be very useless and the product was a huge dissapointment.
Even currently, GDDR5 is not really a bottleneck. HBM will not have latency improvements over GDDR5 either. So those hoping that the lower latency will prove crucial will be dissapointed. HBM is now what GDDR4 was back in 2005-2006. Good on paper, a waste in performance. The whole "stacked memory" concept is far more useful in mobile application where the product is space constrained, like smartphones and tablets. That's the only tangable benefit of it, at least in the short term.
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According to your earlier post you expect the flagship Fiji will be 25% faster than a 290X. I guess AMD are really going to push the boat out with that 25% right?
With 30%+ more further optimised SPs over Hawaii XT, while potentially running at a higher stock clockspeed on the Water cooled Fiji XT, not to mention the extreme increase in memory bandwidth over the 980, it would be a sad day to see it just on par with the 980. Jen Hsun would be laughing all the way to the bank.
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i thought we are all talking about the top end 390x / xt whatever it's called....
omg this is getting stupid tbh,
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Yes that's what I expect. Dissapointing? Maybe but with the right product strategy they can have very exciting products at key price points (price points that make profits, not price points that sell but make no meaningful profit).
What AMD can do is to have a "real" enthusiast grade card, with two "390X" level GPUs clocked very high, a proper aftermarket-grade waterblock, and a 240mm radiator, and sell it at the same price as the Titan X, which can probably offer 50% more performance. That would be something that excites the higher end of the market which is generally where AMD should focus on if they want to make profits.
i thought we are all talking about the top end 390x or xt whatever it's called....
omg this is getting stupid tbh,
Same as me. No idea what you're getting at. Elaborate perhaps before using the word "stupid"?
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it will be more than 25-30%, just going by the Shaders the 390x as around 45% more than a 290x
also the reason i said it's getting stupid is because some people are confusing things like this http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28040691&postcount=166
the way i see it is the 390x is xt, the 390 is non xt. same as now with the 290/290x..... and i thought it was confirmed they calling them 390/390x?
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With 300 series being released for oems this month it's very possible the Fiji XT could be called 490X imo.
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The flagship will be around 50% faster (if not more) than the 290X thats almost sure. So it should match the TX easily.
+45% shaders, and GCN 1.2 (or 1.3) compared to hawaiis GCN 1.1 cores.
AMD can bring up a card to match the 980 if they upgrade the 290X with the new features -better tesselation, and color compression - Tonga (R9 285) has now.
+45% shaders, and GCN 1.2 (or 1.3) compared to hawaiis GCN 1.1 cores.
AMD can bring up a card to match the 980 if they upgrade the 290X with the new features -better tesselation, and color compression - Tonga (R9 285) has now.