Really lost/E6750 + Asrock

conman33158 · 22 Aug 2007 at 23:48

Hi Guys,

I’m pretty new to this and having a few problems and I’m sure you experts will be able to put me straight.

I’m using an Asrock ConRoe1333-DVI/H Motherboard and bought an E6750 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo, but problem is I can only get it clocked to 2.88Ghz and by reading around I can see guys getting 3.5Ghz with ease, so I was just wondering if its maybe me Mobo that’s the problem. I was using a 2.8 GHz Dual Core with the same board before I bought the E6750 and had it clocked without any problems to 3.2 GHz and up to 3.8 GHz before it become unstable.
So here a few things I wrote down that might help.

Bios settings:

Overclock Mode [CPU, PCIE ASync]
CPU Frequency (MHz) [364]
PCIE Frequency (MHz) [120]
VCCM Voltage Auto

Clocked to 2.87GHz.

I’m using 1.5 Gig Memory DDR 2 667
500W PSU
Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Heat Pipe Cooler 775
2 Sata HDD, 80gig and 160gig
256 NVIDIA PCI-E Graphics card

If you need any other info I’ll be more than happy to give it to you.

Here is a screen shot as well, if I go 1 notch higher either way it just comes up on the screen after bios to “load bootable media or removable disk and hit any key to try again”

tsj · 22 Aug 2007 at 23:50

It's your motherboard

It doesn't overclock well

It could also be your ram...

Corasik · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:01

The 1333 FSB stock speed of the E6750 makes it a harder job on your motherboard, as the board is at 333Mhz before you even start clocking.

Assuming your talking about a 2.8Ghz Pentium D, its stock FSB is 800 (so 200mhz on the motherboard. Even clocked up to 3.8Ghz its still only going to need a 271mhz cpu clock on the motherboard.

Your board's already up to 358Mhz on the cpu bus, and to be honest thats probably all your going to get. The northbridge is most likely struggling. That board is using an intel 945 chipset, and it was only designed for 1066FSB. While it does 1333 without any trouble, its unrealistic to expect a budget chipset to go much further.

Even the 'premium' 975 chipset which is a similar age needs additional latency added (change of strap) to get a good overclock. What you need to overclock that chip is a P35 chipset motherboard, although a 965 would probably do pretty well as a cheaper option.

weescott · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:04

Hi and welcome

I'm not familiar with your motherboard however. I am familiar with clocking the E6750.

Do you have the ram on a divider? Is it within its spec? How many volts have you tried on the CPU etc? What did you do to clock your last chip that isnt working this time? Do you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard?

Edit: Above post post looke more promising.

conman33158 · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:19

weescott said:
Hi and welcome

I'm not familiar with your motherboard however. I am familiar with clocking the E6750.

Do you have the ram on a divider? Is it within its spec? How many volts have you tried on the CPU etc? What did you do to clock your last chip that isnt working this time? Do you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard?

Edit: Above post post looke more promising.

I dont have a divider, not that I can find anyhow mate, all I can see is Auto, 233, 667 or something like that.
I cant change the voltage either, man this aint sound too good....lol

The only thing I did the last time was up the CPU Frequency and the PCIE Frequency only the setting was on CPU, PCIE, Sync instead of Async and on that setting when you upped the CPU Freq the PCIE went up automatically.
I tried it that way as well and it was the same result.
The Bios is currently at 1.20 and have downloaded 1.70 and as I have no floppy I tried to load on with a CD and a SD Card and tried booting from both but no joy so tomorrow I'll stick a floppy in temporary and update the bios and see if that make any difference.

You guys have been great and sure know your stuff, also thanks for the lighting replies.
If I cant get nowhere with this can you recommend a good board to go with this E6750 chip so I can get the most out of it?

So much for the guy in the shop telling me it was a really good board and was one off the best around, I suppose at the time it probably was as things move that fast in the computer world it pretty hard to keep up not to mention costly

mp260767 · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:39

fairly certain async is better and try the pci-e at 100 instead of 120.

for a replacement mobo, depending on the quality of you;'re memory i would go for the EVGA nForce 650i Ultra (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard, this like a lot of the 650 series motherboards allows you to clock the memory and processor seperatly,

Justintime · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:48

Asrock boards are not good overclockers generally.

conman33158 · 23 Aug 2007 at 01:51

mp260767 said:
fairly certain async is better and try the pci-e at 100 instead of 120.

for a replacement mobo, depending on the quality of you;'re memory i would go for the EVGA nForce 650i Ultra (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard, this like a lot of the 650 series motherboards allows you to clock the memory and processor seperatly,

Tried putting the PCI-E to 100 and reboot, monitor wouldnt even come on.
Seems like this board is a dead loss for this chip, I'll update the Bios in a few hours and keep you updated

mp260767 · 23 Aug 2007 at 11:12

Justintime said:
Asrock boards are not good overclockers generally.

they do ok for what they are, which is generally a cross over motherboard, had an asrock dual sata2 for an opty 146 and it managed to run it well enough to match a nforce 4 dfi board i got later on.

they do tend to be limited on what fsb you can hit, which i think is sensible on asrocks part tbh as they know there boards aren't super overclockers but they help get a decent clock, for the money and the way they help transfer between setups ddr/ddr2 & agp/pci-e they are great boards.

conman33158:
you're best bet would be to get one of the 650i boards, unless you have quality ram that you know can clock as well as the limit of the processor, in which case go for a p35 mobo.

conman33158 · 23 Aug 2007 at 21:14

I tried everything to upgrade the Bios on this Mobo and no joy, it just won’t boot from the Floppy, USB, CD or an SD Card. The version I have is the original bios with the board v1.20, so I downloaded all the versions 1.30, 1.40, 1.50, 1.60 and 1.70. Tried to go straight to 1.70 with no joy, and then 1.30 and so on and same result every time, it just same "remove media and press any key to restart"
Really sorry I bought this board now I can tell you that.

So today I ordered the EVGA nForce 650i Ultra (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard from overclockers this evening as recommended, I know you said as I haven’t really got good memory I'd be better off with the a P35 Mobo, but I guess I have came this far I'm sure in a week or so I can upgrade my memory as well.
I don't game on the computer at all, just Video Editing, ripping DVD's and encoding, that sort off stuff, so what type off memory would you guys recommend?
Currently using 1.5Ghz Kingston 400Mhz DDR 2 (PC3200)

I also the PSU I am using at the minute is a 500w that came with an old case and is really noisy so I got a CoolerMaster 380W Extreme Power PSU. I haven’t installed it yet but put it on the tester to get it to start the fan and there is no sound off it at all and I thought with the Core 2 Duo using very low power consumption it would be ok, please don’t tell me I wasted more money....lol

This was the write up on the PSU:

Introduction

Cooler Master released eXtreme Power 380W which lets your PC operate better and more efficient, with the best power source as it comes into your PC. The green power design meets Energy Star and Blue Angel requirements. It also enhances system reliability by preventing mains abnormal supply from spikes and surges.

Key Features

1. Compliance with the newest Intel standard ATX 12V V2.01
2. More than 70% efficiency at typical load operation
3. High reliability (MTBF > 100,000 hrs)
4. Green power design to meet energy star and blue angel requirements
5. Super silent operation with intelligent fan speed control (20dBA)
6. 120mm fan makes superb heat dissipation
7. OVP / OCP / OTP / Short circuit protection
8. 100% burn-in, hi-pot & ATE tested

Specifications

Type: ATX Form Factor 12V V2.01
Input Voltage: 90~140V / 180~265V (Selectable)
Input Current: 8A @ 115Vac / 5A @ 230Vac
Input Frequency Range: 47 ~ 63 Hz
Fan Sleeve bearing 120mm fan
Power Good Signal: 100 ~ 500 ms
Hold Up Time: 17 ms
Efficiency: 70% typically
MTBF: 100,000 hrs
Protection: OVP / OCP / OPP / Short Circuit Protection
Dimension: Standard ATX 150 x 140 x 86 (mm)
Operation Temperature: 0~40
Safety: Nemko / TUV / cUL / CE / BSMI / FCC / CCC

Hopefully I'll get there in the end

FreeStream · 23 Aug 2007 at 21:36

Errr, you've just bought a DDR 2 mobo and you have DDR ram.

Your going to need to buy a new set of memory.

conman33158 · 23 Aug 2007 at 22:14

Concorde Rules said:
Errr, you've just bought a DDR 2 mobo and you have DDR ram.

Your going to need to buy a new set of memory.

I think if you check my posts again my friend, I wrote "Currently using 1.5Ghz Kingston 400Mhz DDR 2 (PC3200)" and also stated in my first post
"I’m using 1.5 Gig Memory DDR 2 667
500W PSU
Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Heat Pipe Cooler 775
2 Sata HDD, 80gig and 160gig
256 NVIDIA PCI-E Graphics card"

mp260767 · 24 Aug 2007 at 00:19

what graphics card have you got ?

sry, think you misuderstood me, because of the memory you mentioned i was recommending the 650 boards , that evga will be very nice.

with the asrock have you had a look at their windows bios update software, i used it on my old dual sata2 without any problems.

for a memory upgrade ballistix 5300 clocks well but being as you have a 650 board u should be able to lock the memory speed so any 5300 or 6400 should be fine.

conman33158 · 24 Aug 2007 at 07:56

mp260767 said:
what graphics card have you got ?

sry, think you misuderstood me, because of the memory you mentioned i was recommending the 650 boards , that evga will be very nice.

with the asrock have you had a look at their windows bios update software, i used it on my old dual sata2 without any problems.

for a memory upgrade ballistix 5300 clocks well but being as you have a 650 board u should be able to lock the memory speed so any 5300 or 6400 should be fine.

I have a PALIT nvidia Ge Force 7100 GS 256mb DDR2
Not sure what you mean about the windows bios update software, is this some sort off programme mate?

Actually I was wrong about my memory, it 1 Kingston 1024MB 667Mhz DDR II Memory (PC5300) and 1 Kingston 512MB 667Mhz DDR II Memory (PC5300)
but as you say, it is still 5300

Really glad I joined this site, learning at lightening speed, just sorry I never came here before I bought my other stuff

mp260767 · 24 Aug 2007 at 09:13

conman33158 said:
Not sure what you mean about the windows bios update software, is this some sort off programme mate?

yeah its a program that updates the bios via windows, as mentioned i used it on my dual sata2 without any problems, just make sure you shut down any programs u have running before you run it.

should be available on the asrock website.

Corasik · 24 Aug 2007 at 19:53

conman33158 said:
I have a PALIT nvidia Ge Force 7100 GS 256mb DDR2
Not sure what you mean about the windows bios update software, is this some sort off programme mate?

Actually I was wrong about my memory, it 1 Kingston 1024MB 667Mhz DDR II Memory (PC5300) and 1 Kingston 512MB 667Mhz DDR II Memory (PC5300)
but as you say, it is still 5300

Really glad I joined this site, learning at lightening speed, just sorry I never came here before I bought my other stuff

Just for reference, your really cutting into your computers performance doing that. With just 1 of each memory size, your forcing your system to run in 'Single channel' mode. Which reduces its bandwidth in half. If you buy another 1gig, and 512m stick, you can have 1.5meg in each channel for a total of 3gig. That would allow dual channel operation and remove the bottleneck.

mp260767 · 24 Aug 2007 at 19:58

Corasik said:
Just for reference, your really cutting into your computers performance doing that. With just 1 of each memory size, your forcing your system to run in 'Single channel' mode. Which reduces its bandwidth in half. If you buy another 1gig, and 512m stick, you can have 1.5meg in each channel for a total of 3gig. That would allow dual channel operation and remove the bottleneck.

never noticed any issue with single over dual channel unless i've bench marked tbh.

if gaming i've found amount of memory to be more useful than running in single channel.

artaxerxes · 24 Aug 2007 at 20:27

Did you try updating the BIOS with the Windows program? Download the WIN not the DOS version from the page.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.asp?Model=ConRoe1333-D667 R1.0&s=n

Normally I wouldn't recommend it - but the ASROCK boards cost tuppence. Also note there are two versions of your board.

As noted, this will likely do you no good in the overclocking stakes. You want the highest possible native multiplier like the E4400 x10 coupled with a low starting FSB.

martianrobot · 24 Aug 2007 at 23:15

conman - I guess you an mATX fan like me. I just moved from an Asrock Conroe945GDVI - this is the forerunner to the Asrock you have with the exact same specs as yours except it was limited to 1066fsb. That was severely limited OCing wise, plus I killed its HD sound chip!

I've now got the Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R. This is the little mATX brother to the P35 boards coming out - it's proving to be a really great little board for OCing as all the reviews of it shine, and it's also good for future upgrades (it can accept the new 45nm Penryhn chips allegedly)

I was lucky if I got my E6300 stable OC'd to 2.10GHz from 1.86GHz with the Asrock - I'm now very comfortably at 2.8GHz, though have a few heat issues I need to sort out - thats down to the choice of case I just got, the Antec Sonata III. Yes, I've gone all ATX... unfortunately my mATX case didn't have enough drive bays for the RAID-0 aray I wanted, and the PSU was lacking.

Anyway, I'd defo recommend the G33 board - I'm keeping my Asrock though for a media centre PC with one of those new cheapo Intel Pentium 2 Duo E2140s

conman33158 · 25 Aug 2007 at 13:46

Ok guys, my EVGA nForce 650i Ultra (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard has just arrived thanks to OCer's and now the board wont fit into my Case, so gonna head up in to the local PC Shop and take the Mobo with me to get a compatible Case.

Was just wondering, what would be a pretty stable setting for the E6750, not too high say 3.2 or 3.5 with just the memory that I have. Funds are a bit tight now, so gonna check my bank ATM and if I can afford it I'll do what was suggested and get the other 1.5mb Memory.

Man I hate this laptop, what a piece of crap. I'll call back in once I have it build up and the OS in and online and get a few ideas.

Thanks lads, your gentleman, everyone off ya's